CA DROS Delay

[66nick]

GOOD ON YA BRO.

Now, how do FFLS get added? PM info to you? Or are you starting a thread on CG for posting entries, and you add them? According to geo location like 'By County" etc.?

I'm open to guidance, but for now I've started the below linked thread. I like the idea of a thread with users being able to submit update information, and then the spreadsheet I created can serve as a back-up/broader reference. If there are a couple folks that people are willing to "vouch" for, I'll share edit access to the sheet with them as well.

List of FFLs who will release upon receipt of an "Undetermined" from a CA DROS.

[mjdlc805]

CA Penal Code 28220

(f) (1) (A) The department shall immediately notify the dealer to DELAY the transfer of the firearm to the purchaser if the records of the department, or the records available to the department in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, indicate one of the following:
IMMEDIATELY transfer the firearm to the purchaser.

DOJ can legally DELAY a purchase for 3 reasons only. I am neither purchaser i. ii. or iii.

[pacrat]

I am starting such a list of FFL who are confirmed to deliver on "Undetermined" status here: CA_Undetermined_Friendy_FFL

Please post up the confirmed FFL who DO release on "Undetermined" status and I'll start adding them. Please be patient for updates. It may take some time to get FFL added to this spreadsheet, as I do have an unrelated full time job.

GOOD ON YA BRO.

Now, how do FFLS get added? PM info to you? Or are you starting a thread on CG for posting entries, and you add them? According to geo location like 'By County" etc.?

[66nick]

You could step up and do that.
Everyone loves to say that "we" should do something but rarely does the "we" include the one making the statement.

Here is a perfect example of a guy that stepped up and did something helpful:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1406001

You could be just like that guy by starting a thread and keeping it updated as people post their findings.

We need to compile a list of FFLs that don't release on undetermined it would be useful to all members.

this would be perfect.

Guns Direct in burbank.
RTBA LA in Burbank.

Both DO NOT release on undetermined.

I created one but mods deleted it unfortunately


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Because such a thread is not beneficial to the forum advertiser FFLs who will be included on the list.

A thread that WOULD potentially survive the moderators would be a list of FFL's that DO release on undetermined.
Then people could just go to those FFL's and they could make an assumption that the ones NOT listed on the thread may or may not release on undetermined since those "unknown" FFL's have not been added to the list.

NOT AT ALL.

Not naming an FFL is a bigly difference to naming them specifically.

One can assume, or conject, that someone not on the "Not a Turd" list, is a turd.

Yet if per chance, someone simply hasn't YET, added them to the "Not a Turd" list.

But a simple phone call resolves that. Just call and ask "ARE YOU A TURD"?

I am starting such a list of FFL who are confirmed to deliver on "Undetermined" status here: CA_Undetermined_Friendy_FFL

Please post up the confirmed FFL who DO release on "Undetermined" status and I'll start adding them. Please be patient for updates. It may take some time to get FFL added to this spreadsheet, as I do have an unrelated full time job.

[CrossedRifles]

30 24hr periods from the initiation of the DROS.

Thanks! Three more days..

[ar15barrels]

Hi all,

Nearing the 30 day mark now and the DROS should fall into Undetermined status. Just to confirm :

Is it 30 days from the day of the DROS, or 30 days from the start of the "Delayed" status?

30 24hr periods from the initiation of the DROS.

[Creative300]

dont ever buy a gun from turner's. they are the absolute worse. every other shop will at least do FFL transfer (if you ask) to another store that does release on undetermined that way you know you will get your gun no matter what, as long as you're not denied. except turner's since they dont do any FFL transfers at all.

buying from turner's is a great way to waste your time and money.

[CrossedRifles]

Hi all,

Nearing the 30 day mark now and the DROS should fall into Undetermined status. Just to confirm :

Is it 30 days from the day of the DROS, or 30 days from the start of the "Delayed" status?

Do I need to DROS the firearm again? Or is that just a horrible FFL's idea of financial torture? (i.e. robbing another $40)

Looking forward to pick up soon.

I should note that during this wait, I picked up two receivers. Makes no sense I could build two rifles but a tiny little handgun is delayed lol.

[pacrat]

They also said they have 30 days from the date that they informed me. Not from the date of my dros. DOJ website says 30 days from the date of the transaction.

They lied about having discretion to NOT DELIVER on an Undetermined status.

They lied again when they intentionally misrepresented what the LAW ACTUALLY SAYS. As to DATE.

That date is clearly shown at the top of your DROS copy. Right down to the MINUTE.

Which is 240 hours from the time they entered your DROS into the DES [Dros Entry System] computer.

There is a valid reason that many CalGunners call them "TURDners".

[1911-CV]

Can vs Will

They can release on undetermined. But Turner's won't under their policy.

See this earlier post from this same thread "may language"

If I decide to go PPT and dros can they not release on an undetermined since by that time the transaction has been competed and the seller has already gotten paid?

[mjdlc805]

They also said they have 30 days from the date that they informed me. Not from the date of my dros. DOJ website says 30 days from the date of the transaction.

[mjdlc805]

If I decide to go PPT and dros can they not release on an undetermined since by that time the transaction has been competed and the seller has already gotten paid?

[1911-CV]

Spend more time here...

Lots of stories on CG about Turner's refusing to transfer after a DROS goes undetermined. Yes, that is their store policy (along with many other FFL's) which Pacrat will soon (if he hasn't already) will tell you is illegal but seems to be pretty routine. Their Terms of Service Turner's #2 says they refund rather than deliver.

You get stuck paying for another DROS and hoping that goes through or trying to work with the seller to go to another FFL who will release on undetermined. The recent (last couple of months) round of delays seems pretty random. Lots of folks like you who haven't ever had an issue, have a CCW, etc. are getting delayed. Sucks, but you are not alone.

[mjdlc805]

Does anyone know if there can be an "undetermined" on a ppt where the dros-ing dealer can refuse to transfer a firearm? I am not prohibited from purchasing a firearm PERIOD!!!! I have purchased many firearms thru the years. I am a ccw holder. I have gone thru at least 12 federal and state background checks. I have submitted my fingerprints to the Department of Justice. I have done the live scan. I haven't even had a parking ticket in over 35 years. My credit score is 850. But recently I purchased a firearm from a dealer and I am currently delayed going on day 22. I have a feeling it has nothing to do with my background but more to do with just another way California regulates firearms purchases knowing the likelihood of dealers not selling on "undetermined." My selling dealer has told me their store policy is to not sell on an undetermined. I would be getting a refund minus the dros fees. I think I should get a full refund since legally they can sell me the firearm. BTW my selling dealer is Turners. I don't mind discussing my full experience details since they are 100% factual. And if this is the store policy then they should own it. I wish someone in my position would have informed me.

[golfish]

I never had a problem with them last year I purchased my Golden boy there, and around 3 years ago I picked up my Browning 12 gauge there.

I'm about 5 miles from BPS. It was a crazy house when it first opened.

They have a nice fly fishing shop and use to have an ok ammo supply. I could never bring myself to buy a gun from them. It always seemed to me like the counter guys thought they were doing me a favor showing me guns. It just never set well with me.

It's like Turners use to be in the 80s.

I couldn't tell you the last time I was there. There's just nothing there for me.