Modify/Limit Magazines To 10 Rounds

[johnlisker]

What is the rule on the modification of magazines to 10 rounds? Must the modification be permanent? Or can a mag block be used? Looking to modify 15 round magazines for Mauser HSc. Sketchy people are telling me to put a piece of pencil in magazine and that's all that is needed.

[johnlisker]

Rule On Modified Magazines

I am looking to modify some M1 Carbine magazines so they can be legally sold in CA. I saw Magblockers, but are they legal in CA or does the modification need to be permanent?

https://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/products/magblock-kits.html?mode=list

[SkyHawk]

The law says permanent.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=16740

16740.
As used in this part, “large-capacity magazine” means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.

[BananaKetchup]

Rivet, epoxy, dowel. In my head any combination of the two (or 3). Have some blocked mags that have been epoxied, where it cant be disassembled at all.

[NorCalRefuge]

If they were in the state before the "high" capacity magazine ban, or were brought in and/or acquired during the 2019 "Freedom Week", then no need to modify them at all, as they are currently legal to poses and use.

If you're just now getting them... well... you're on your own

[jcwatchdog]

I am looking to modify some M1 Carbine magazines so they can be legally sold in CA. I saw Magblockers, but are they legal in CA or does the modification need to be permanent?

https://www.magazineblocks.com/magen...html?mode=list

[morrcarr67]

The law says permanent.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=16740

But they don't tell you what they think permanent is. [emoji1745]

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[C.G.]

It would need to be permanent, i. e. JB Weld or pop-rivet.

[Munny$hot]

I used a thin strip of Lexan sheet I found in the bargain bin at TAP plastic in the spine of the mag trimmed to the proper length.

[AregularGuy]

But they don't tell you what they think permanent is. [emoji1745]

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Exactly. If you put a mag block in it, it is 10 round. Take it apart and it is mag parts. Put it together without mag block and you created a high cap magazine. Once a mag block is inserted does it become part of the magazine "permanently"? Nowhere in the PC does it say the magazine cannot be disassembled.

[Quiet]

Exactly. If you put a mag block in it, it is 10 round. Take it apart and it is mag parts. Put it together without mag block and you created a high cap magazine. Once a mag block is inserted does it become part of the magazine "permanently"? Nowhere in the PC does it say the magazine cannot be disassembled.

Technically...

It's illegal in CA to make a large capacity magazine parts kit. [PC 32311(a)]
^This includes disassembling an ammunition feeding device so that it meets the definition of a large capacity magazine parts kit.

There is no exemption to CA large capacity magazine and magazine parts kits laws for conducting maintenance, repair, or modification by a non-exempt person.
^Which is why when they made possession illegal, they gave no legal option to modify them into legal magazines. [PC 32310(d)]

Exempt persons, licensed gunsmiths, are granted exemptions that allow them to legally disassembly large capacity magazines for repair, maintenance, or modification.

When discussed by the legislature in 1999, the legislative intent of CA large capacity magazine laws was to limit non-exempt persons to only legally possess & use lawfully owned large capacity magazines and maintenance/repair to be done by a licensed gunsmith.

[AregularGuy]

Technically...

It's illegal in CA to make a large capacity magazine parts kit. [PC 32311(a)]
^This includes disassembling an ammunition feeding device so that it meets the definition of a large capacity magazine parts kit.

There is no exemption to CA large capacity magazine and magazine parts kits laws for conducting maintenance, repair, or modification by a non-exempt person.
^Which is why when they made possession illegal, they gave no legal option to modify them into legal magazines. [PC 32310(d)]

Exempt persons, licensed gunsmiths, are granted exemptions that allow them to legally disassembly large capacity magazines for repair, maintenance, or modification.

When discussed by the legislature in 1999, the legislative intent of CA large capacity magazine laws was to limit non-exempt persons to only legally possess & use lawfully owned large capacity magazines and maintenance/repair to be done by a licensed gunsmith.

Man! You are one very sharp and astute cookie! I had not thought of it, and had I thought of it I wouldn't have thought it was a "thing". Thank you for the eye-opener! That last part is almost straight out of "Ripley's Believe it or Not!"

[Mauserguy]

So if a person was to take a legally acquired, freedom week or preban, LCM apart and keep the parts in on plastic bag, that's illegal?
Mauserguy

[ScottsBad]

I'm not a lawyer, this post is just my opinion on the current law and I could be wrong.

This subject has been tricky for many years. Many questions cannot be easily answered on these subjects and are open to interpretation by individual DAs and LE. Which is why gun owners hate the Government here.

I'm pretty sure you must have obtained those magazines during Freedom Week or had them many years before restrictions. If so, they should probably remain assembled to avoid possible, however unlikely, problems. And you cannot legally sell them to anyone in California unless they are 10 rounds. But if you disassemble them to make them 10 rounds, there is a potential danger.

Freedom Week magazines could be sold on GunBroker without making mods, to the legal resident of a free State. (Check with lawyer first CYA verbiage here).

I think you can remove them from CA to a free state (say Nevada or Arizona) modify them to 10 rounds and then bring them back to CA if you want to remain 110% legal. (Again, check with lawyer CYA)

Personally, I wish I'd bought more standard capacity magazines during freedom week. I still don't use them much, but they are nice to have for shooting on private property or when I go visit friends in other states. I don't like to attract attention in the current environment, so I use 10 round mags in CA. (I'm doing a slow motion move out of Commiefornia). Soon all my magazines will be out of CA except a couple 10 rounders, along with my firearms.

Of course, Dementia Joe has been talking about going after magazines too. So, all the fools who voted for him will get a rude awakening soon I fear.

[Wordupmybrotha]

If the blocked high capacity magazine was unblocked during Freedom Week 1.0, then it should be good to go.