Cal gun member problem?

[9Cal_OC]

Was this someone who responded to your WTB ad?

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1674233

[Clickjack]

[ar15barrels]

it was a response to the aimpoint wtb. But I get scammers all the time. It wasn’t one like those. Also they never have any history / activity on here. So I always check posts. It was just a normal response to a wtb. Like How I’ve bought many guns off here.

If it felt ok, it's probably ok.
Or you found a more sophisticated scammer.
It's not hard to post up 10 posts to make a profile look like a legit person.
What's the seller's join date?

[ZombieLivesMatter]

Don’t stress about it at this point OP, money has already been sent and you’re just along for the ride. Hopefully he replies back in a few more days but if he hasn’t and it’s been over a week past his promised date then start doing what recourse you can through your payment method and bank.

[OCEquestrian]

Zelle (but through my bank app so there is a shot at fraud protection).
He’s got like 10 posts, mostly comments about his H&K. introducing himself, looking for a rifle, etc. but not much. Hadn’t been on since Tuesday.

You sent $550 to someone with 10 posts and no itrader history? let me guess...was the price of whatever you bought was super low/ great deal? A smoking hot deal (the scammer counts on your greed override your good sense) and a no recourse payment method are the two hallmarks of a scam. Hopefully you and all who read this "may" learn.

it was a response to the aimpoint wtb. But I get scammers all the time. It wasn’t one like those. Also they never have any history / activity on here. So I always check posts. It was just a normal response to a wtb. Like How I’ve bought many guns off here.

How could you compare a firearms transaction where you are required to do the deal face to face in a safe environment and the seller turns over the weapon at the moment you had them cash to a deal you have done sight unseen? They are not even close to being comparable.

[Donny1]

I wouldn't send someone with 10 posts 10 cents, but that's just me.

[ar15barrels]

Hopefully he replies back in a few more days but if he hasn’t and it’s been over a week past his promised date then start doing what recourse you can through your payment method and bank.

There's basically no recourse through Zelle.
It's basically like cash.

[OCEquestrian]

There's basically no recourse through Zelle.
It's basically like cash.

Yup...If the guy scammed you, you have no way to claw the money back. All you can do is file a police report since you know the name of the person whose account received the money. Just so people know, the ONLY electronic transfers that have any sort of recourse are;

PayPal
Federal Funds Wire transfer

Zelle, as explained by Zelle, for those who bother to read .... https://www.zellepay.com/support/can-i-cancel-a-payment


Can I cancel a payment?
You can only cancel a payment if the recipient hasn’t yet enrolled with Zelle. You can go to your activity page within the Zelle experience, either within your mobile banking app or the Zelle app, choose the payment you want to cancel, and then select “Cancel This Payment.” If your recipient has already enrolled with Zelle, the money is sent directly to your recipient’s bank account and cannot be canceled.

Zelle on scams;https://www.zellepay.com/pay-it-safe...raud-and-scams

SCAM If you were knowingly involved in the transaction and you gave the “ok” and authorized a payment to be sent, this is typically defined as a scam. Even if you were tricked or persuaded into authorizing a payment for a good or service someone said they were going to provide, but they didn’t fulfill it, this would be considered a scam. Because you authorized the payment, you may not be able to get your money back.

[ZombieLivesMatter]

Yup...If the guy scammed you, you have no way to claw the money back. All you can do is file a police report since you know the name of the person whose account received the money. Just so people know, the ONLY electronic transfers that have any sort of recourse are;

PayPal
Federal Funds Wire transfer

PayPal only if you do a normal transaction and they don't find out it's a firearm or a firearm part that falls in their "certain firearm parts they don't allow".

I only ever sent a payment once on Calguns as "friends and family" and from what I recall it was quite expensive, near a thousand dollars I think, I had hesitation even though the member had been established on here for years and had a lot of iTrader, ultimately it went well. I have done transactions with 0 itrader but that was face to face, I wouldn't send any payment with no recourse for someone with 10 posts and 0 itrader.

[Clickjack]

You sent $550 to someone with 10 posts and no itrader history? let me guess...was the price of whatever you bought was super low/ great deal? A smoking hot deal (the scammer counts on your greed override your good sense) and a no recourse payment method are the two hallmarks of a scam. Hopefully you and all who read this "may" learn.



How could you compare a firearms transaction where you are required to do the deal face to face in a safe environment and the seller turns over the weapon at the moment you had them cash to a deal you have done sight unseen? They are not even close to being comparable.

It was through my bank which even with Zelle offers some recorse. My hopes are not high. It was not a smoking hot deal, just reasonable. And I do deals like this all the time though granted it is with music equipment and not scopes but having never been scammed before It felt fine. No Alarms.

I get your point. But be less judge-y

[Garv]

Give him a negative ITrader rating for being a scammer.
That will also warn the rest of us.
If he is legit, he will object and correct the situation at which point the rating can be corrected by the mods.

[Canucky]

Sorry for your troubles CJack.

[Dano3467]

+1, Give it some time

[CWL]

Give him a negative ITrader rating for being a scammer.
That will also warn the rest of us.
If he is legit, he will object and correct the situation at which point the rating can be corrected by the mods.

Yes. Give him a bad iTrader rating as a scammer.

That's something you can do now, and if he's legit, he'll show up to try and get it changed.

I'm sorry, but I don't think you'll ever see money or Aimpoint from the guy. Chalk it up as a lesson learned, and at least help other members from getting cheated.

[sofbak]

Well, for now at least you might text him a URL of this thread, and indicate that you will OUT HIM if he doesn't respond. At least he knows that he has some "highly unflattering public notariety" coming his way if he doesn't "pony up".

If he doesn't respond to that, there is a sticky in all the marketplace forums where you can post his ID and his unscrupulous dealings.....