CCW class says don't carry those, just plain old hollow points that are not broadcasting "kill, kill, kill". And if you're ever in SF they have bans on specific rounds. I think they recommended Gold Dot.
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That's Mas Ayoob's opinion. What's interesting is that he' unable to cite a case where ammo type was an issue in a good shoot.Ditch the gimmicky rounds...especially something labeled "R.I.P." An attorney will have a field day with that one after a shooting. Stick with well established defensive rounds that are regularly carried by law enforcement agencies. Do you know any agencies carrying that RIP round? Because there might be a reason for this.
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Federal HST 230 gr. .45 --> Dan Wesson CBOB
Federal HST 147 gr. 9mm --> CZ PCR
Federal HST Micro 150 gr. 9mm --> CZ RAMILast edited by Mayor McRifle; 12-12-2020, 11:39 AM.Anchors Aweigh
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Currently...
.32ACP = Fiocchi 73gr FMJ
9x19mm = Speer 124gr Gold-Dot JHP
.45ACP = Federal 230gr Hydra-Shok JHP (will be switching to Winchester 230gr Ranger-T SXT JHP, when I finally run out of the Federal amo)sigpic
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).Comment
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Third party testing of the RIP ammo in ballistic gelatin rated to FBI specs have shown that the 9mm RIP ammo has the same penetration and wound channels as high velocity .22LR segmented HP ammo.Originally posted by jessegpresleyThose RIP and Lehigh are gimmick rounds for gullible people who watch YouTube "ammo tests". How do you determine they even function in your firearm? How many mags worth of each have you fired to determine reliability?sigpic
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).Comment
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Originally posted by jessegpresleyNo. You confuse retards who barely graduated high school playing wound ballistic expert on Youtube with engineers and PHDs conducting testing under strict protocols for billion dollar .gov contracts.
But lets say you're right. Why do you want to turn a centerfire projectile into a rimfire projectile? Where are the experienced people carrying and recommending RIP ammo? You watch all those dumb review channels on Youtube, is Larry Vickers or John Lovell or whoever you consider an expert recommending RIP over Federal or Speer?Comment
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You get it.Originally posted by jessegpresleyThose RIP and Lehigh are gimmick rounds for gullible people who watch YouTube "ammo tests". How do you determine they even function in your firearm? How many mags worth of each have you fired to determine reliability?
Just use the same ammo as carried by your local PD, or the FBI. The R&D budget of the RIP/Lehigh companies that make that ammo is probably equal to the catering budget at Federal/ATK.
It's so funny the number of rando CCW guys who don't regularly take training classes and don't compete in action pistol sports think they're so special they're going to carry some weird boutique round in some large caliber, meanwhile the most skilled shooters in the country, whether top competitive shooters or tactical trainers mostly carry pedestrian polymer 9mms loaded with standard 124-147 grain hollow points from Federal/Speer/Hornady. Which coincidentally, is also what the highest trained law enforcement personnel carry. The FBI/USSS/FAMS don't carry 10mm guns with G2 ammo; they carry Glock 19s with regular ol' Speer/Hornady/Fedearl as well. Ask yourself, what makes you more special than them?
Judgment, reaction time and shot placement are infinitely more important than the shape, speed and construction of your projectile, assuming the projectile meets minimum requirements.Comment
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