POLYMER80 Raided by ATF

[CheapBloke]

Yea....been reading that thread.

I read that if you did buy one of these kits, that you should not trash or destroy it unless you want to invite a raid for a home search for it.

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[IE80percenter]

I read that if you did buy one of these kits, that you should not trash or destroy it unless you want to invite a raid for a home search for it.

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Probably better off just burning your house down to the ground on your own, and killing your puppies and kittens on the way out the door, least the Government do it to you later.

[CheapBloke]

Probably better off just burning your house down to the ground on your own, and killing your puppies and kittens on the way out the door, least the Government do it to you later.

Lol

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[IE80percenter]

Lol

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I do see 80Pbuilder no longer advertising complete kits, and just sells kits minus the P80 frame, as is another wholesaler.

Fandffirearms shows out of stock on everything, but that's not much of a big deal as he just took money and never shipped anyway.

karrisguns.com no longer sells P80 complete kits.

uspatriotarms now sells kits minus the P80 frames.

Seems like the retailers got the ATFs message loud and clear. Choke tens of thousands by bringing dozens to heel.

[IE80percenter]

Also, 80Pbuilder no longer has their website in Spanish, which I always thought was a tip of the hat to our cartel friends south of the border.

[Scratch705]

So atf says you cant sell as a complete kit. But it is fine if someone buys all the parts to make their own kit from one retailer?

That is some pr bs they are spewing. You know atf wants a list of anyone who bought a p80.

[bohoki]

it takes some mental gymnastics to uderstand some things in life but i kind of understand this

atf works with "intent"

selling a hunk of plastic the seller may intend the purchaser make a "firearm"

but selling a pistol kit shows the seller intends the purchaser to make a "pistol"

there is no difference to a normal person in that statement but there is to lawyers

i also understand why the supreme court is refusing to take the election matters first off is "standing" possibly a voter could start a class action for disenfranchisement but their recourse it to take it to the legistlature and unfortunatly in the minds of the court the voters are responsible for choosintg the legistlature so it becomes an circle of blame that turns to an undefinable tangle in which the citizens would sue themselves

[rice_man]

Interesting timing - who else got this latest Classic Firearms email?

https://enews.classicfirearms.com/q/dV-P7V54bceK4bPQ_K8W-q50GwioliQpVrHTDLwHjOG_g0OQGwX6tI9QO

[Scratch705]

it takes some mental gymnastics to uderstand some things in life but i kind of understand this

atf works with "intent"

selling a hunk of plastic the seller may intend the purchaser make a "firearm"

but selling a pistol kit shows the seller intends the purchaser to make a "pistol"

there is difference to a normal person in that statement but there is to lawyers

i also understand why the supreme court is refusing to take the election matters first off is "standing" possibly a voter could start a class action for disenfranchisement but their recourse it to take it to the legistlature and unfortunatly in the minds of the court the voters are responsible for choosintg the legistlature so it becomes an circle of blame that turns to an undefinable tangle in which the citizens would sue themselves

But it is legal in many states for one to make a pistol from these kits and not have to report it to the government. So why now? And why raid instead of issuing a c&d to p80? There has been zero laws broken by p80.

[bohoki]

But it is legal in many states for one to make a pistol from these kits and not have to report it to the government. So why now? And why raid instead of issuing a c&d to p80? There has been zero laws broken by p80.

i guess its a bit like selling charcoal, stump remover and rose fertilizer separate as opposed to selling it all together

felons are allowed to purchase any of those items or all of those items but selling the items as a kit (including a mortar and pestle) to a felon knowingly or unknoingly may show intent (conspiracy) or reckless disregard

and don't forget i am a moron

they are allowed to make up laws in their minds and enforce them and then claim oopsie daisy thats how i thought the law worked

[LTC-J]

So far, all I've read is ATF is interested in "complete" kits sold by Polymer80 and not just the 80% itself. And only sold directly by Polymer80 so far.

Anyone have first hand accounts of ATF caring about just the 80% self? Or "complete" kits not sold by Polymer80?

I'm not familiar with what a "complete" kit entails... is this everything including slide/barrel assembly? Or is it only the "lower" parts?

[edgerly779]

I built my 80% using mill . I never knew the polymer 80s were a complete kit to fully assemble a functional handgun with no machining required. To me that is way to easy for prohibited people to get handguns. Surprised it took this long for hammer to fall.

[spdrcr]

I do see 80Pbuilder no longer advertising complete kits, and just sells kits minus the P80 frame, as is another wholesaler.

Fandffirearms shows out of stock on everything, but that's not much of a big deal as he just took money and never shipped anyway.

karrisguns.com no longer sells P80 complete kits.

uspatriotarms now sells kits minus the P80 frames.

Seems like the retailers got the ATFs message loud and clear. Choke tens of thousands by bringing dozens to heel.

Primary Arms and Midway have also removed all listings for Polymer80 Buy, Build, and Shoot kits

[SkyHawk]

Primary Arms and Midway have also removed all listings for Polymer80 Buy, Build, and Shoot kits

Yeah here is the cache of Midway's page 2 days ago

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NEPwFq6MyTEJ:https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021331911+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

[Quickdraw559]

I disagree.

Yes, it is a parts kit. It does not contain a firearm as defined by the law. A "firearm with some assembly required" is not a legal definition or even close. Their product contains parts, and parts is parts. That's clear from the current working definition of a receiver.

Your argument might be "clear", but it has no basis in the statutes.

You can rage all you want, but clearly I was correct in my thought process. I never said it was legal to do, I never blamed anyone for anything, all I did was lay out an apparently correct analysis of why the ATF was going after P80.