Does anyone get annoyed when...

[Wordupmybrotha]

The argument between the free market vs not free market folks goes like this:

Free market: free because government doesn't regulate how much a G19 Gen 3 can be charged.

Not free market: not free because the government restricted the overall supply of handguns with the roster. In a non roster state, a person can choose to buy a non roster gun without a roster premium, which increases the supply.

[Fishslayer]

Pretty much every handgun I own I paid more than MSRP for.

[CheapBloke]

Pretty much every handgun I own I paid more than MSRP for.

Well CA consumers overpay on everything compared to other states.

A Hi-Point 995TS? $220 in other states, throw in a fin grip and CA price becomes $350.

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[9Cal_OC]

Not really, it's supply and demand, and if you say strongly otherwise your account probably won't last long on here anyways. lol.

Now this, this sheer level of epic mental regression quoted below on the other hand might actually annoy me.





Apparently this prime level Karen thinks that all pistols have to be advertised as "used, unfired" because they undergo a factory function test, and apparently "his FFLs" all tell him this. And no, this isn't my thread, I'm not selling any Glocks. I just noticed that the 2020s are running pretty rampant. Too much false information being spread this year.

If this guy is right, there's no such thing as new guns you guys, the entire firearms industry is involved in a conspiracy.

I saw that thread but held back on saying anything since how ridiculous it was.

[9Cal_OC]

Were those used guns marked as “like new”?

There’s your premium

[TheFlash]

From a different perspective:
If you have a firearm in your safe that you don't need or want anymore, now may be the time to sell.
And, if there is a firearm that you're looking for and do want, once you sell that unwanted firearm, you can then 'repurpose' the funds towards the firearm that you do want.
Nothing new that I've said so far...
Now in our now inflated pricing world:
With the inflated prices you're seeing today, it still means that if there is a buy and sell desire that you have - you may be able to have parity between the two. (Meaning - both the sale and purchase prices are inflated, but have risen proportionately compared to what the prices were 9 months ago.)

An example of this is that I sold a pistol a few months ago that I no longer needed for the exact amount as the cost of a pistol that I did want.
The pistol I sold had a price above what I could have sold it for a year or so ago (I did add lots of extra magazines and other extras, so it still was a VERY good value for the buyer). And, the pistol that I bought also has an inflated price, but I'm okay with that price since I rarely see that specific model available.

A long post to say that in every situation, there may be good opportunities waiting for you....

[Gowking]

[ScottsBad]

Wrong. There is not a free market when the roster artificially limits what can be sold.

If California only allowed Prius cars to be sold, that's not a free market, no matter how many Prius are sold in this large economy.

We are obviously not talking about one model of gun from one manufacturer.

Your argument seems to be; Because some types/models of gun are available in other States, but not in California, the law of supply and demand
does not apply in CA. (Or is it the term 'free market' you object to?)

If that's what you intend, then by your reasoning the law of supply and demand does not apply in the United States, because in the US the same situation exists relative to the World market for guns. Some types/models/manufacturers of guns available in the World are not all available to citizens of the US. That is a free market restriction. We have import restrictions in the US, same as California does. California is simply more restrictive. However, that does not impede the operation of market forces (supply and demand) to set prices in California.

A pure free market capitalist system doesn't exist anywhere. So, when we say "free market" we usually mean market forces.

Even in restricted markets, like California, market forces are at work. Supply and demand still operates. I'm sure Glock, Smith and Wesson, and others are making guns as fast as they can while working around Covid restrictions, parts availability, labor issues, etc. They want to sell as many guns as possible. They want to make a profit.

Its true, if we had access to more manufacturers/models of guns in California (limited due to restrictions) that we may have more supply and therefore lower prices. However, that doesn't preclude the operation of market forces in California.

Frequently, especially during panics, manufacturers cannot supply enough guns (widgets, whatever) to meet demand. Because guns are in high demand and supply is not adequate, prices rise. Some buyers will go to the secondary (used) market. This is where individuals set prices based on what they think they can get for a used gun.

Individual sellers are often driven by a slightly different market psychology. Many secondary market sellers had no thought of selling their gun. But perhaps sensing that they could obtain more for their gun than in the normal market, they put their gun on the market at a high price, hoping to find a buyer who needs a gun badly enough to pay a high price.

And that's an example of how market forces (supply and demand) work. And that's why gun prices are high, sometimes seemingly ridiculously high.

I found this quote on Google (as much as I hate Google) and it pretty much sums it up:

"In economics, a free market is a system in which the prices for goods and services are self-regulated by the open market and by consumers."

I would change the wording slightly, but its not inaccurate.