Another 03-FFL & COE thread

[CartridgeCalls]

Federally is real easy.

1. You are not a dealer. You can't buy C&R firearms for others.

2. There are three things having a C&R FFL allows you to do.

1. "Acquire" C&R firearms into your collection. "Acquire" means anyway
you can get a C&R. A gift. buy it from a FFL of any type.

2. "Hold" a C&R in your collection. Just like a museum. Your collection is
your "museum".

3. "Dispose" of a C&R firearm from your collection. "Dispose" means any
way a firearm leaves your collection. Gift, sale. Even stolen.


When you "Acquire" a C&R firearm as a licensed collector you are required to list it in your bound book. Regardless of how you "acquired" the C&R it needs to be listed in your book.

Holding a C&R requires no action. It's listed in your book.

"Disposing" of a C&R firearm requires you to follow all state and federal laws. So if you sell, give away have something stolen. Whatever you list who you "disposed" the C&R to.

If it's a FFL you just put the name and address of the FFL. If you sell it to another collector who has a C&R you list their name and FFL number.

If you sell it to a individual and use a FFL for the disposition. You list the FFL as who you disposed of the C&R to.

You don't need to list any of the C&R firearms you already have in your collection in your bound book.

If you "dispose" of a C&R firearm you had before you were licensed you need to enter that gun in the acquisition side of your book. The only notation you need to list other than the firearms description is "from personal collection".

You then follow the above information regarding the disposition.

It's not that hard.

You can also use pencil while making entries in your book. There is no Federal requirement to use a pen.

Keep current and make the entries when you do acquire and dispose of C&R's. Don't wait and forget. I think you have three days to make the entries.

After you acquire you have to File it in the CRIS or file and mail a BOF 4100A if im not mistaken. I just filed one today for my FFL03

[ar15barrels]

I've been contemplating getting an 03 FFL & COE for the obvious reasons.
I have a couple questions.

For one, if the ammo is shipped via UPS or FedEx, can I have it held at a hub for pick-up? I live in Westchester (city of L.A. basically), so I'm not sure if I can have ammo shipped to my door, even with the 03 FFL.

Sellers are ONLY going to ship to the address listed on your FFL.
That is going to stop you from having them ship it to somewhere else.
That does not stop you from contacting the shipper after the package is already en-route and asking the shipper to hold it at the nearest depot for you.

Also, many sellers do not realize that Westchester is a neighborhood within the CITY of Los Angeles and will NOT ship to the CITY of Los Angeles but MAY ship to the CITY of Westchester because they don't know it's a neighborhood of Los Angeles.
So, when you apply for your FFL, make sure you list your CITY as Westchester.
Then go ammo shopping and see if your order gets rejected or not.

[ar15barrels]

Let me know once you get yours approved if you are actually able to ship ammo to your home address in LA county.
I read somewhere online that it is restricted for this county but I am not 100% certain.

LA county is no problem.
LA CITY is a problem.

[IronsightsRifleman]

A hundred hours? Four full days?

Is English your third or fourth language?

CPC 27565 (a) (4) The licensed collector takes actual possession of that firearm outside of this state pursuant to the provisions of subsection (j) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code, as amended by Public Law 104-208, and transports the firearm into this state.

If you don't spend a good deal of time researching just that bit alone, you will seriously misinterpret what it means. And most FFL03s do.

What is the legal definition of "actual possession"? Why is the Public Law 104-208 amendment important here?

I stand by my statement. Between the USC, CFR, CPC, and Cal Regs, there are countless pages of law to sift through, just counting those of interest to collectors. Not to mention regulations from USPS / UPS on firearms shipments. If you only ever want to buy a couple of c&r long guns and some ammo, then fine. But if you really want to do it right, then coming up to speed on all the laws is part of the hobby and it takes some time.

[SVT-40]

After you acquire you have to File it in the CRIS or file and mail a BOF 4100A if im not mistaken. I just filed one today for my FFL03

What I listed are the Federal requirements. The information you are referring to are California related laws.

They have nothing to do with what is Federally required.

Read the first sentence in my post.

[559nFree]

1. there is a thread listing all the out of state FFL will ship with 03, i'm too lazy to find it.

2. No you still have to pay $1. You can show your coe to the clerk but that might just make the clerk confuse even more lol.

The FFL03-friendly ammunition dealers thread is at https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1406001

Thank you both so much!!

[CaliGunOwner_Mike]

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/bof-1021-ammo-vendor-lic.pdf?

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dealer-vendor

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[CartridgeCalls]

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/bof-1021-ammo-vendor-lic.pdf?

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dealer-vendor

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State law authorizes people to sell or share ammunition with their spouses, domestic partners, parents, grandparents, children, and grandchildren without the participation of a licensed vendor.

[Dimitri A.]

Batfe already processed my FFL03 and I'm waiting for it to come in. My coe.has been processing for 30.days. any idea how long that's going to take?

Any word? Received anything yet?

[AssaultWeapon]

Hi! I applied for my COE and received it within about 30 days of the livescan. On May 11th, I filled out my 03 FFL form and sent a copy to my CLEO (chief of police for my city) and the ATF. A friend of mine sent his FFL out a week after mine and got his 03 FFL in less then two months. Is it possible that my Chief of Police if holding up my FFL even though I have the cleanest background? I was going to give him and the ATF a call to try and understand whats holding up my application. Any thoughts??

[vino68]

Hi! I applied for my COE and received it within about 30 days of the livescan. On May 11th, I filled out my 03 FFL form and sent a copy to my CLEO (chief of police for my city) and the ATF. A friend of mine sent his FFL out a week after mine and got his 03 FFL in less then two months. Is it possible that my Chief of Police if holding up my FFL even though I have the cleanest background? I was going to give him and the ATF a call to try and understand whats holding up my application. Any thoughts??

The local CoP does not interface with BATF on the application in most circumstances, hopefully you sent the correct copy to the correct agency.
If you used a CC for the FFL fee, see if you have been charged.

[559nFree]

Rather than start another thread can i ask for assitance here?

I'm not sure why the PDF doesnt come with the agency info already filled out but what do i put there? I went to get a livescan and they said that part needs to be filled out. I cannot find that info anywhere on the COE website.

They looked up the ORI i had and didnt see "Certificate of Eligibility" in the pull down.

Thanks!

[DDRH]

Rather than start another thread can i ask for assitance here?

I'm not sure why the PDF doesnt come with the agency info already filled out but what do i put there? I went to get a livescan and they said that part needs to be filled out. I cannot find that info anywhere on the COE website.

They looked up the ORI i had and didnt see "Certificate of Eligibility" in the pull down.

Thanks!

The notary I went to had all that info. I showed him the paperwork. He said I had the wrong one...then pulled out the correct paperwork. Which was the exact same one I had, except with the credentials you're looking for.

Info you looking for in attached foto

[559nFree]

The notary I went to had all that info. I showed him the paperwork. He said I had the wrong one...then pulled out the correct paperwork. Which was the exact same one I had, except with the credentials you're looking for.

Info you looking for in attached foto

Thank you so much. Thats exactly what I need.

[559nFree]

The notary I went to had all that info. I showed him the paperwork.

Info you looking for in attached foto

Yeah i opened one that i had saved and it had the info populated but it wasnt the one from one page in the DOJ website. Seems you have to open it in a pdf editor. The browser link will not populate. Anyways, Thanks for your help. I'm Good now.


Here it is attached in case anyone has the same problem in the future. It seems you must open it in a pdf editor like Adobe Acrobat Reader.