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  • #31
    9Cal_OC
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2019
    • 6687

    Originally posted by SanDiego619
    So if I go to a shop just to do a PPT, or if I buy a gun online and have it shipped there, they make no money on the transfer?

    Gosh, I feel a little guilty now.
    PPT, they get $10. Online or non-PPT transfers, they can set their own price for receiving it plus DROS. Prices range from $20-100 plus DROS
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    • #32
      rodralig
      CGN Contributor
      • Apr 2016
      • 4262

      Originally posted by SanDiego619
      So if I go to a shop just to do a PPT, or if I buy a gun online and have it shipped there, they make no money on the transfer?

      Gosh, I feel a little guilty now.
      Very little... However, when you order online, the receiving FFL can charge an additional fee to facilitate the transfers. I have heard that some LGS charges as high as $100. One of the LGS close to me charges $65 for online transfers.

      Surprising that you are saying this - you have an iTrader rating of "6" and been a member since 2013.


      Originally posted by ourTINman
      couldn't the store just tell them that they won't do their transfer?
      Against the rules for an FFL. They can be reported, etc.


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      • #33
        BarrelProof
        Member
        • Mar 2020
        • 157

        Originally posted by ourTINman
        couldn't the store just tell them that they won't do their transfer?
        If you never leave your first childhood, they'll never know when you've entered your second.

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        • #34
          six seven tango
          CGSSA Associate
          • Jan 2012
          • 1725

          Originally posted by SanDiego619
          So if I go to a shop just to do a PPT, or if I buy a gun online and have it shipped there, they make no money on the transfer?

          Gosh, I feel a little guilty now.
          No, we're talking 2 different animals. A shop is limited by law to $10 plus DROS for a PPT. With a PPT, both the seller and the buyer must be physically present in the shop.

          If you buy a gun on line and have it shipped in, then the shop can charge you what ever they want plus DROS, since that is not a PPT.
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          • #35
            SanDiego619
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2013
            • 12854

            Originally posted by rodralig
            Very little... However, when you order online, the receiving FFL can charge an additional fee to facilitate the transfers. I have heard that some LGS charges as high as $100. One of the LGS close to me charges $65 for online transfers.

            Surprising that you are saying this - you have an iTrader rating of "6" and been a member since 2013.




            Against the rules for an FFL. They can be reported, etc.


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            I didn't really think about it to be honest, I have only bought guns online not face to face, my iTrader is from buying and selling mags and stuff not FFL items. I did notice that my favorite LGS charges a lot for online orders. I guess I was confusing online transfers with PPTs, I've never done a PPT but I do remember that they are cheaper to do. So they make ten bucks on a PPT, each one takes a while, even if they did PPTs all day it would be hard to break even.

            Now I don't feel so guilty because they still made some money from my online orders, and I also buy ammo or other stuff whenever I go.
            Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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            • #36
              rodralig
              CGN Contributor
              • Apr 2016
              • 4262

              Penal Code 26825



              while 26800 mentions the penalty for refusals, etc.



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              • #37
                ourTINman
                Member
                • Apr 2020
                • 168

                Originally posted by rodralig
                . One of the LGS close to me charges $65 for online transfers.
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                for long guns:
                $150 for me. Or if I got to another LGS its 10% of gun cost.

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                • #38
                  rodralig
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 4262

                  Originally posted by SanDiego619
                  I didn't really think about it to be honest, I have only bought guns online not face to face, my iTrader is from buying and selling mags and stuff not FFL items. I did notice that my favorite LGS charges a lot for online orders. I guess I was confusing online transfers with PPTs, I've never done a PPT but I do remember that they are cheaper to do. So they make ten bucks on a PPT, each one takes a while, even if they did PPTs all day it would be hard to break even.

                  Now I don't feel so guilty because they still made some money from my online orders, and I also buy ammo or other stuff whenever I go.
                  Correct. And that is why some of us, especially for the neighborhood LGS, we buy something extra to "support" them... It is NOT their fault that they can't sell "Unsafe" firearms to the non-Active LE people like some us...


                  That said, as I posted prior to this - an FFL that refuses a PPT can actually be reported. A penalty is forfeiture of the license...



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                  • #39
                    SanDiego619
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 12854

                    Originally posted by rodralig
                    Correct. And that is why some of us, especially for the neighborhood LGS, we buy something extra to "support" them... It is NOT their fault that they can't sell "Unsafe" firearms to the non-Active LE people like some us...


                    That said, as I posted prior to this - an FFL that refuses a PPT can actually be reported. A penalty is forfeiture of the license...



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                    I will definitely keep that in mind if I ever do a PPT!! Good to know for sure.
                    Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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                    • #40
                      BarrelProof
                      Member
                      • Mar 2020
                      • 157

                      If the guys don’t have anything to sell me when my last PPT DROS clears, I hope they either like whiskey or let me buy them lunch.
                      If you never leave your first childhood, they'll never know when you've entered your second.

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                      • #41
                        ohsmily
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 8956

                        Huh? PPT (private party transfer) is limited by law to $35.00 which includes the DROS.
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                        • #42
                          rodralig
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 4262

                          Originally posted by ohsmily
                          Huh? PPT (private party transfer) is limited by law to $35.00 which includes the DROS.
                          Actually it went up from $35 to $47.19.

                          Firearms Dealers Links to Topics below General FAQs DROS Entry System (DES) Internet Process AB 1872/2165/2699 Dealer FAQs General FAQs What are California's licensing requirements for firearms dealers? How much is the annual Centralized List fee and when must it be paid? What is a California Firearms Dealer (CFD) number? Do I need to send copies of my dealer's Federal Firearms License and local firearms license(s) to DOJ? How is DROS information submitted? How do I get copies of the blank DROS worksheet? How can I correct or cancel a DROS submission?



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                          • #43
                            knightsofround
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2020
                            • 38

                            Originally posted by ohsmily
                            Huh? PPT (private party transfer) is limited by law to $35.00 which includes the DROS.

                            Yeah my bad, I got FFL and PPT mixed up.


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                            • #44
                              BarrelProof
                              Member
                              • Mar 2020
                              • 157

                              Originally posted by rodralig
                              Actually it went up from $35 to $47.19.

                              Firearms Dealers Links to Topics below General FAQs DROS Entry System (DES) Internet Process AB 1872/2165/2699 Dealer FAQs General FAQs What are California's licensing requirements for firearms dealers? How much is the annual Centralized List fee and when must it be paid? What is a California Firearms Dealer (CFD) number? Do I need to send copies of my dealer's Federal Firearms License and local firearms license(s) to DOJ? How is DROS information submitted? How do I get copies of the blank DROS worksheet? How can I correct or cancel a DROS submission?



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                              • #45
                                BarrelProof
                                Member
                                • Mar 2020
                                • 157

                                Also those that don’t charge you for DROS mistakes on ammunition because DROS is too stupid to recognize RD and ROAD as the same or *****ing about where your suffix goes, are also loosing money
                                If you never leave your first childhood, they'll never know when you've entered your second.

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