I have a question for the experienced buyers and sellers here UPDATE

[pratchett]

DROS is over. Your well-intentioned but ill-advised 'trial period' is over. The firearm is legally his. You can't even take possession of it if you wanted to except through an FFL.

You, sir, are too nice for your own good. Turn off your email, block his number, delete Facebook, hit the gym, and enjoy your life. And in the future, for the love of God, put this in your ads:

"Face-to-face. At an FFL. During daylight hours. Caveat emptor. No 'trial' period. As/Is, no warranties or guarantees oral or written, implied or overtly stated. No written or oral contract exists. If you DROS it it's yours. If you think you'll have questions, bring a gunsmith. And consider this a Tinder hookup, not a FWB thing."

[sailor74]

DROS is over. Your well-intentioned but ill-advised 'trial period' is over. The firearm is legally his. You can't even take possession of it if you wanted to except through an FFL.

You, sir, are too nice for your own good. Turn off your email, block his number, delete Facebook, hit the gym, and enjoy your life. And in the future, for the love of God, put this in your ads:

"Face-to-face. At an FFL. During daylight hours. Caveat emptor. No 'trial' period. As/Is, no warranties or guarantees oral or written, implied or overtly stated. No written or oral contract exists. If you DROS it it's yours. If you think you'll have questions, bring a gunsmith. And consider this a Tinder hookup, not a FWB thing."

thank you sir, very well written and excellent advice.

I have sold about 7 or 8 guns to people here on calguns without a hitch, all face to face xfers, this was the first shipping experience, and know I know why you never ship, lesson learned.

I'm going to use your quote above from now on.

[foxtrotuniformlima]

That's a nice gun at a fair price. If he isn't happy with it he can sell it and recoup his costs.

Seeing all the interest here, that shouldn't be too hard.

[SkyHawk]

The feed ramp is original and untouched, the only thing that was done was widening of the barrel throat.

Well then now I really want it!

[DrjonesUSA]

I recently listed an ww2 colt 1911 for sale, it is a family hand me down, I put several hundred rounds through it since taking possession of it, and it functions flawlessly.

A fellow here on calguns bought the gun, and my ffl shipped it to his ffl.

In my opinion it's fine ol example of an old ww2 piece, the gun was rearsenaled between ww2 and korea. He is now complaining that a gunsmith told him that some tolerance is not in spec, something about the slide lugs are a few thousandths off of what a commercial gun would be.

I don't know about that, it's a military gun and it's in beautiful cosmetic condition and shoots any bullets you throw at it.

He says he needs a new slide for it, I believe he's being picky and finicky, what do you guys think. I mean if the gun shoots and ejects shells all day long what's the issue. ww2 guns are known for some sloppy tolerances for dirty and muddy conditions in the field.

Assuming your photos are perfectly accurate, it seems like you have a beautiful chunk of history that anyone should be proud to own.

With all due respect, it sounds like this buyer is a shady dipstick who's trying to pull something funny on you, and/or he's an idiot who knows absolutely nothing about 1911's.

I'm far from a certified 1911 expert myself, but I know a lot about them and firearms in general, and I know with complete certainty that yes; the military-grade, military issued 1911s absolutely were rattle-traps purposely built with loose tolerances to ensure reliability in combat.

That the buyer doesn't know this and is complaining of alleged tolerances being off by thousandths of an inch proves that he's a moron.

Sorry for the hassles & hope you guys can settle.

IF he doesn't immediately pull his head out of his rear, I'd have him return the gun & then refund his money - AFTER you receive your pistol in the exact same condition it was sent out.

As a test, you should ask the buyer if he routinely drops the slide on an empty chamber to help break in the gun.

Obviously I only know one side of the story, but someone complaining about thousandths of an inch of tolerances on an actual military-issue 1911 doesn't reflect well on their knowledge & intelligence.





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[ar15barrels]

I have to dross the gun back and pay my ffl fee and then wait ten days, not something I really want to do.

This is why you only give a 2-3 day inspection period.
Starting a DROS should signify acceptance.
If the gun is NOT accepted, it should have been sent back immediately and there would not be a need to Re-DROS it as it still would be in your name.

Had your inspection period been shorter than DROS, there's no way for the buyer to change their mind after DROS.
I have not seen sales terms with an inspection period that allows test fire.
Once a gun is fired, it's definitely a final sale.

You need to fix your sales terms on any future sales so you don't run into this problem again.

[LAKA90034]

[sailor74]

Email him and tell him that while you cannot refund his money, there is a guy in LA (me) that will drive down there and give him $1000 in exchange for his shot out, no good, Colt.

He should jump at the chance...unless he’s a dishonest scumbag trying to milk you for $$.

OK, Ill do it and let you know.

I emailed him and told him to contact you thru calguns.

His calguns moniker is SDcollector , and his name Tom, he said he would take 1000.00 for it.


Rich

[eviioiive]

Probably the same nut that bought my 1903

[LAKA90034]

OK, Ill do it and let you know.

I emailed him and told him to contact you thru calguns.

His calguns moniker is SDcollector , and his name Tom, he said he would take 1000.00 for it.


Rich

[jimx]

He says he needs a new slide for it, I believe he's being picky and finicky, what do you guys think. I mean if the gun shoots and ejects shells all day long what's the issue. ww2 guns are known for some sloppy tolerances for dirty and muddy conditions in the field.

Give him a refund, he doesn't deserve to have it.

You will have zero issues selling it here!

[sailor74]

This is the latest email I got from the buyer, and thanks for all the replies, you guys on here are great.


"Well after talking to some people and reading about it, I have to agree with your gunsmith. I don't think mine knew much about vintage 1911's. There were no rounded corners or undue wear on lugs in the slide. It seems he just measured the total fore/aft slop of the barrel, which he said was .062. I'm a retired mechanical designer and my caliper showed half of that, .032.



So anyway, I may sell it in the future, but I'm going to keep it for now.



Good luck and thanks for everything Rich!

Tom"

[SkyHawk]

Fore / aft movement of .032 seems well in spec to me. That guy got a great gun at a very good price. Good thing he came to his senses.

[ACfixer]

I'm glad it ended well OP. I'm not thrilled with him telling you this:

So anyway, I may sell it in the future, but I'm going to keep it for now.

Yeah no kidding, I am keeping all my guns that I may sell in the future too...

I'm in the camp that said once the DROS was initiated on his end, any inspection period ended then and there. Anyway, I am glad he got someone that had actually seen a milspec 1911 before to look it over. Lesson learned on that "inspection period" eh?

Fore / aft movement of .032 seems well in spec to me. That guy got a great gun at a very good price. Good thing he came to his senses.

Exactly.

[FatCity67]

Yup and the buyer is still a jackwagon for putting the seller through the wringer.

I'm glad it ended well OP. I'm not thrilled with him telling you this:



Yeah no kidding, I am keeping all my guns that I may sell in the future too...

I'm in the camp that said once the DROS was initiated on his end, any inspection period ended then and there. Anyway, I am glad he got someone that had actually seen a milspec 1911 before to look it over. Lesson learned on that "inspection period" eh?



Exactly.