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[ar15barrels]

AFAIK, all those "ordinances" were thrown out and we have the same laws as the rest of the state when it comes to gun laws

I didn't realize clark county withdrew all the las vegas metro gun laws.
Did they do that after 2016's question 1 passed?

[FalconLair]

I didn't realize clark county withdrew all the las vegas metro gun laws.
Did they do that after 2016's question 1 passed?

actually it happened right when i moved here 2015, before Question 1, i was here for that - if i remember it was "ordinances" that were already in place, like you couldn't carry openly in your vehicle, gun registration, the blue card for gun purchases - all thrown out

this link might explain it better https://www.nevadacarry.org/blue-cards.html

Question 1 came later and had no bearing on anything else, just PPT's - it's my understanding that Las Vegas adhere's only to the same gun laws as the rest of the state

[ar15barrels]

Question 1 came later and had no bearing on anything else, just PPT's - it's my understanding that Las Vegas adhere's only to the same gun laws as the rest of the state

Question 1 set up PPT's through dealers.
Then the following year, they had to pass another law to try to make it functional since it could not legally be done how Question 1 tried to do it.
Looks like it now starts in 2020.

[SkyHawk]

So I'm told to ship a gun within California a 30 day wait is needed before shipping...this true?
Selling gun, PPT. Not consignment.

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How are you shipping a gun in a PPT (which is not possible)?

And who is telling you this, the shipping or receiving FFL?

[FalconLair]

Question 1 set up PPT's through dealers.
Then the following year, they had to pass another law to try to make it functional since it could not legally be done how Question 1 tried to do it.
Looks like it now starts in 2020.

yes, and from what i've been hearing they STILL don't have a plan in place for it - if it was unenforceable back in 2016 and nothing has changed i can't really understand how suddenly it will be enforceable

i believe there was a Nevada agency involved that had issues in trying to perform Point of Contact background checks and would a fee be involved

once it was deemed unenforceable i never gave it a second thought - still don't know what changed since then - can't fathom having to wait 30 days like the LGS told me though - i can walk into a LGS and buy a gun on display and walk out 2 minutes later, gun in hand (or box) - having a CCW im not even required to have a background check run on me, so, what use is the LGS? firearms aren't registered, no bgc on me, what would i be paying for and why would i have to wait 30 days (not sure if that's even true or not)

*just found this https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016...-unenforceable

not sure what happened to change unenforceable to enforceable though

[ar15barrels]

yes, and from what i've been hearing they STILL don't have a plan in place for it - if it was unenforceable back in 2016 and nothing has changed i can't really understand how suddenly it will be enforceable

not sure what happened to change unenforceable to enforceable though

They passed a 2nd law last year that was supposed to clean up the problems of the first one.

30days is CA pawn ticket law.
When a firearms dealer takes in a used gun, he has to check it in with the state to see if the gun is stolen.
The theory being that if the gun were just stolen yesterday, the owner needs 30 days to notice that it's stolen and get it reported.
This is to stop thieves from pawning stolen guns.
It would not surprise me if some pawn shops extend that same 30 day hold to the payment to make sure the gun does not come back as stolen.

[FalconLair]

They passed a 2nd law last year that was supposed to clean up the problems of the first one.

30days is CA pawn ticket law.
When a firearms dealer takes in a used gun, he has to check it in with the state to see if the gun is stolen.
The theory being that if the gun were just stolen yesterday, the owner needs 30 days to notice that it's stolen and get it reported.
This is to stop thieves from pawning stolen guns.
It would not surprise me if some pawn shops extend that same 30 day hold to the payment to make sure the gun does not come back as stolen.

i've never done a PPT, every firearm I own has been purchased BNIB except my P226, which i bought through an online broker

if people have to wait 30 days that's gonna take the wind out of the sails (sales pun intended) on PPT's im sure - what you're talking about is pawn shops not getting screwed on a pawned firearm, i get that, but i can't see how PPT's not involving a pawn shop are gonna fair, we don't even have the 10 waiting period CA has on all firearm purchases, so i don't know what im missing here

damn, ar, you seem to know more than i do about WTH is going on

im not advocating breaking the law, but, if i was going to do a PPT in 2020 what would stop seller and me just saying the deal was made in a parking lot in December 2019

im just saying, being a new law and all, plenty won't have a problem doing that i can bet - no real gun owners like the new law anyway, let's not kid ourselves about that - after it becomes law i'd beat you dollars to donuts for a good period of time it'll be ignored

it's like 11+ gun magazines in CA. - how do you prove someone bought them illegally, especially since you guys recently were able to rebuy them - it'll be a while before some DA feels confident about charging someone, short of having the invoice as evidence

[ar15barrels]

if people have to wait 30 days that's gonna take the wind out of the sails (sales pun intended) on PPT's im sure

The 30 day hold is for firearms purchased by a pawnbroker (or an FFL as FFL's often are required to have a pawnbroker's license by their city) and it state law for many many years.
If you sell a gun to a gun shop, they commonly sit on it for the 20 days before they put it out for sale so that the sale would not be delayed by the 30 day hold.
I used to have a gun shop that let me preview and buy from the 30 day hold items that they had not yet put out.

PPT's do NOT go into the inventory of the FFL so they are not subject to the 30 day hold.
PPT's are simply HELD by the FFL on behalf of the buyer while the buyer waits their 10 days.

[FalconLair]

The 30 day hold is for firearms purchased by a pawnbroker (or an FFL as FFL's often are required to have a pawnbroker's license by their city) and it state law for many many years.
If you sell a gun to a gun shop, they commonly sit on it for the 20 days before they put it out for sale so that the sale would not be delayed by the 30 day hold.
I used to have a gun shop that let me preview and buy from the 30 day hold items that they had not yet put out.

PPT's do NOT go into the inventory of the FFL so they are not subject to the 30 day hold.
PPT's are simply HELD by the FFL on behalf of the buyer while the buyer waits their 10 days.

ok, starting to get a handle on it, but we don't have a 10 day waiting period here so if a firearm is stolen how's that gonna pan out for the buyer and when will they find out

i guess you could end up with a stolen firearm with a normal PPT transacted in a parking lot too - either way, seems like the buyer is taking some risk and could be SOL if he doesn't know who he's buying from

im starting to remember why i've never done a PPT

[Angrysnarf]

How are you shipping a gun in a PPT (which is not possible)?

And who is telling you this, the shipping or receiving FFL?

I was selling. Would ship it to buyer in CA from within CA. Shipper said it

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[alland]

So I'm told to ship a gun within California a 30 day wait is needed before shipping...this true?
Selling gun, PPT. Not consignment.

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If you are shipping a handgun in California it cannot be a PPT. A PPT requires both the seller and the buyer to use the same FFL. It will be handled just like a dealer sale and the roster applies unless either the handgun or buyer are roster exempt.

[SkyHawk]

I was selling. Would ship it to buyer in CA from within CA. Shipper said it

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Two points:

• Shipping a gun to a CA buyer can never be a PPT as defined by CA processes. Even if the seller lives in CA It can only be a dealer transfer and would be subject to roster laws.
  
• The shipper in question is an idiot

[Angrysnarf]

Two points:

• Shipping a gun to a CA buyer can never be a PPT as defined by CA processes. Even if the seller lives in CA It can only be a dealer transfer and would be subject to roster laws.
  
• The shipper in question is an idiot

So procedure to ship a gun to a buyer is?

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[alland]

If the transaction is roster exempt either have an FFL ship the pistol to the buyers FFL, or ship it yourself to the buyers FFL using UPS or FedEx.

If the transaction is not roster exempt it is not legally possible to ship the pistol.

[ar15barrels]

So procedure to ship a gun to a buyer is?

You simply ship it to the buyer's FFL of choice.
Then the buyer does the DROS at his local FFL just the same as if he had purchased it from out of state.