Additional reactions culled from the case thread in Litigation

[MissiontoMars]

order?


The judge has merely ordered that state LEOs must not enforce

Your post is where my mind lands every time i think about this.

Thanks for posting. Looking forward to having a lawyer answer this and similar questions.

[Discogodfather]

I think it's a landslide in terms of large retailers selling and shipping to CA. Palmetto and several others jumping on makes it really difficult for CA DOJ to attack just a few small businesses.

The strength in numbers is really important, if retailers get on board and we all order what the hell can Newscum or Bercera do? It's a social movement at this point and they can't beat it down easily.

This guy is a little to showy for me but it's a solid argument:

[pistol3]

Ex post facto enforcement of an enjoined law? See Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution for comment.

[Featureless]

Don't know if this has been asked yet, but how long will it take Xavier Basura to get this to the 9th Circuit? And is that the place it will be reversed/overturned?

[Chewy65]

Except that 32310 has already been enjoined for the past nine months and that tidal wave could have already occurred, at least out of state. After all, most magazines don't have manufacture dates. "I've had these 43 standard cap mags for 25 years!"

And what if an sdt issues for credit card company records that show purchases over the weekend? The best thing might be to shut the pie hole and take politely take the 5th.

[Chewy65]

Ex post facto enforcement of an enjoined law? See Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution for comment.

Where do you come up with ex post facto? The law is on the books and has been for months. If the order enjoining enforcement is vacated nothing stops its enforcement.

[Chewy65]

order?


The judge has merely ordered that state LEOs must not enforce

Some stores are taking orders, but I believe most are not and more and more that took them are cancelling. I am no ordering because I don't want to be disbarred if found guilty of a felony, which I fear could be the result if Benitez's ruling is vacated, which has a high probability given any appeal will be to the 9th. I don't think we will have a final ruling on this for at least a year and a half and I hope to be out of this state by then.

[pistol3]

Where do you come up with ex post facto? The law is on the books and has been for months. If the order enjoining enforcement is vacated nothing stops its enforcement.

You can't retroactively criminalize legal actions. It is currently legal to purchase and import standard capacity magazines. You can't charge people criminally for it later.

[Guninator]

Where do you come up with ex post facto? The law is on the books and has been for months. If the order enjoining enforcement is vacated nothing stops its enforcement.

[Hsu]

Some stores are taking orders, but I believe most are not and more and more that took them are cancelling. I am no ordering because I don't want to be disbarred if found guilty of a felony, which I fear could be the result if Benitez's ruling is vacated, which has a high probability given any appeal will be to the 9th. I don't think we will have a final ruling on this for at least a year and a half and I hope to be out of this state by then.

Wait which ones are canceling?

[Nor*Cal]

Wait which ones are canceling?

Very few. Bud's is the primary one that took lots of orders and then cancelled. And the number of sellers has increased throughout the past 2 days. Chewy65's statement does not seem to match up with what I am reading.

As for if those orders will actually ship, only time will tell.

[Scott Connors]

Great call by Judge Benitez.

Who came up with 10 rounds anyway ? It is an arbitrary number. If the courts allow a 10 round restriction, then why not 5 rounds or one ?

Bill Ruger originally came up with the magic number "10", which he offered as a compromise to Senator Metzenbaum in place of banning the Mini-14.

[tony270]

Very few. Bud's is the primary one that took lots of orders and then cancelled. And the number of sellers has increased throughout the past 2 days. Chewy65's statement does not seem to match up with what I am reading.

As for if those orders will actually ship, only time will tell.

I think I see three different members that say only Arms Unlimited have sent confirmation shipping email notices.

This OT link, post 407, 408, and 409:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1521011&page=11

[Whiskey_Tango]

Just got an email that https://gunmagwarehouse.com is now shipping to CA.

[Nor*Cal]

I think I see three different members that say only Arms Unlimited have sent confirmation shipping email notices.

This OT link, post 407, 408, and 409:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...521011&page=11

Keep in mind that most of these orders have been placed over the weekend. I'd expect a flood of shipments tomorrow.

It's going to be interesting to see how all this plays out this week.