Paypal warning!!!

[Pointcrossed]

I wonder if a 40 watt plasma rifle is ok?

BTW you can purchase a knife or anything sold on ebay using a paypal account. They are the same company

[bigcalidave]

Although annoying, paypal can be convient. When I bought an upper reciever, I noted it was for "Chevy ar15 upper intake manifold" or something like that. Even on ebay, I listed an item and in the item description I stated, "payment to be made via paypal AND YOU COVER THE PAYPAL FEES (add 3.5% to the auction total)." Ebay waited until the item only had 4 hours left on the auction and treminated the auction stating "we at ebay do everything we can to ensure there are no hidden fees associated with auction" or some garbage like that.

If you get your account back, just be more discrete. Remember, the typical liberal doesnt like guns...or anything that has to do with guns...or anything associated with anything that has to do with guns...

Charging for paypal fees is prohibited by ebay, and bad selling practice. I won't buy from anyone who sells like that, and I sometimes report sellers who do. Using a service like paypal to accept your payment is a convenience to the seller, just like how stores pay for the ability to take credit cards. If you don't want to pay the fees, charge more to cover them, or only take money orders.
Had nothing to do with gun parts for sale.

[DREADNOUGHT78]

Just use code! I bought an RRA upper and was told to use the phrase"Climbing up a rocky river" pretty clever!

[CALI-gula]

Some of you may know, but for those that don't, Paypal prohibits using their service to sell firearms, parts for firearms, and ammunition.

You are only finding this out now? It' been that way for several years for firearms, and a couple of years now for other parts, and last year they added magazines of any kind (10 rounds and under used to be OK until the Virginia college shooting where they said the shooter bought 10-round Glock mags off Ebay); these changes coincide along with Ebay (who owns Paypal).

Yep, it's bad. However, I do recall a time before Ebay owned Paypal when they had no issue with it. Back then (around 1999 to 2003 or so) many gun dealers even had Paypal radio-buttons on their websites!

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[ke6guj]

Charging for paypal fees is prohibited by ebay, and bad selling practice. I won't buy from anyone who sells like that, and I sometimes report sellers who do. Using a service like paypal to accept your payment is a convenience to the seller, just like how stores pay for the ability to take credit cards. If you don't want to pay the fees, charge more to cover them, or only take money orders.
Had nothing to do with gun parts for sale.

Well, Ebay pretty much requires you to accept paypal, have a CC merchant account or an alternate online payment system. Money orders are no longer acceptable. So, if you want to sell on ebay, you are required to accept a payment method that costs you 2-3% to accept. If I am required to use paypal when selling, how can it be considered a convenience? Sounds like an extra required fee.

[175_MPH_SS]

Uh, duuuuh.

But seriously, welcome to last year.

ACTUALLY I WAS KINDA WONDERING WHAT "DISCREET PAYPAL" MEANT EXACTLY... (IMMA NEWBIE) THANKS.

[CnCFunFactory]

Maybe next time they should state "500Watt Receiver".

or a "stoner 15 channel 223 watt receiver"

[Asphodel]

The only thing which rather amazes me is that anyone is still using Paypal.

You can find literally dozens of 'Paypal horror stories' on the internet, in which people allege that they were ripped off for hundreds or sometimes thousands of dollars by the Paypal Co.

We have our own Paypal ripoff story, from several years ago, when we were selling antique items on Ebay.

Even tho our Ebay listings specified 'no Paypal', a buyer of an item paid us.....or thought he did.....by Paypal.

It became a long story.......the ending was that Paypal would not pay us, unless we signed up for a 'verified account' with Paypal.

The 'punch line' was that Paypal claimed that we had received payment for our Ebay item when Paypal debited the buyer's credit card. Since we had not actually received payment, I told them to make a refund to the buyer. They refused, saying that they would not make a refund unless the buyer filed a complaint against us with Ebay.

I e-mailed the buyer of our Ebay item, told him the story, and he demanded a refund from Paypal. They refused to make a refund to him, and simply kept the funds. The amount was trivial, actually, only $20-something, not even worth the time we'd already wasted, so we didn't pursue the matter, nor did the buyer. Paypal simply kept the funds.

I had refused to sign up for a Paypal account, cos I had taken the time to read all the way through the Paypal 'terms of service', which contained 'traps' hidden in the 'fine print'.

Its my opinion that no reasonable person should take the risk involved with having a Paypal account, as having one makes the Paypal Co. literally a full partner in one's bank account, with unlimited power to deposit or withdraw funds at their sole discretion.

That means that if you accept Paypal account status, are paid for a sold item though Paypal, and the buyer files a complaint, whether or not the complaint is fraudulent, Paypal will withdraw those funds, and 'freeze' your Paypal account 'pending investigation' which can take months.

In short, if you think you have received payment through Paypal, you are at risk for victimisation should the other party file a fraudulent complaint.

Sadly, Paypal and Ebay have become the playground of con-men and fraudsters.

There are still some number of honest, legitimate sellers on Ebay, but one has to e-mail them through Ebay, get their e-mail addresses from them to e-mail them privately, and ask 'the right questions' or ask for references, to get them to satisfy you that they are legitimate.

Once you have their e-mail address, you can negotiate an 'other than Paypal' payment method, but discretion is necessary, as Ebay now forbids any payment other than their Paypal.

Unfortunately, from the stories on the internet, Paypal works 'both ways' to encourage fraud and 'scammers'. Both buyers and sellers on Ebay have been......allegedly, at least......heavily victimised by Ebay/Paypal.

I've read stories on the internet by people who claimed that the only way they could escape from a Paypal account was to set up completely new bank accounts, and close out their existing ones.

Is this really so? I don't know, from any first-hand experience.

Go research the stories for yourself.....I can't answer as to the truth, or otherwise, of any specific story.....you have to decide for yourself as to whether they have a 'ring of truth', or 'reasonable sound of plausibility'.

cheers

Carla

[acegunnr]

2nd account frozen!

By the way...I was able to open up a new account using a different email and credit card...

Can't wait to dump paypal for GUNPAL!!!

Oh crap. They found out about the second account and permanently froze it. It was only open for a day and had one transaction. Won't be able to get the funds out for 180 days!

[JTROKS]

I refuse to use paypal. I've done business with them before and I was totally dissatisfied when the seller I'm buying a scope from kept my money and decided not to send the scope. I took it up to paypal and I didn't even get half my money back, so much for their insurance. When they said no gun business with their company, I'm thinking to hell with them. For folks who insist in using paypal I just don't understand.

[AaronHorrocks]

Paypal does not support your rights.

Therefore do not give them your money!

[bubbapug1]

You know, Ebay started as a private auction network for dolls or something and made the founders rich...paypal is now owned by ebay. I am sure the folks running this board have the intelligence and web experience to set up a paypal themselves to exploit this market and make a fair amount of cash doing it.

There is liability in funding gun sales however, even as a third party holder in due course, especially if a gun sale leads to some nut shooting up a school. I am sure thats part of the reason why ebay, paypal, and craigslist are all non gun entities. Its not like they are anti's, its more like they don't want the litigation expense and bad press.

[Mazilla]

Nobody else has thought to buy a prepaid credit card and link that to your paypal/online purchases? I never link any internet purchase to anything other than my "greendot" prepaid visa card. you cant steal/freeze whats not there. It sits at a zero balance until I need to buy something, then I charge it up and spend it all. That doesnt help much for consistent sellers, but it offers protection as a buyer and thats all i need.

[CSACANNONEER]

Paypal does not support your rights.

Therefore do not give them your money!

+1!

Although, I'm thinking about doing a $1 sale of a caulking GUN, a "tackdriver" (hammer) along with a "snipe scope" (for watching the common snipe at the sea shore) and, maybe even a paint GUN (for an airless sprayer).

[ZombieKiller]

How can they prove anything if both parties keep their mouths shut?

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