Helo Hunting in Africa with a Barrett??

[Citadelgrad87]

Thats such bull****, someone paying $50k or so to bait a lion off a reserve so he can shoot it for a trophy benefits no one except the guys who took the 50large. Does not benefit the community at large. Also it leaves the pride open to hostile takeover a d means death for any cubs under a year.

In africa the notion that trophy hunting somehow protects or conserves the wildlife is a frikkin pipedream . All trophy hunting does is fuel greed in which any local will do whatever is needed to get the animal in a position to be shot ,for the money....same crap as a poacher looking to get xxx for the 'medicinal value' the body parts of xxx bring on the asian or black markets.

We have our differing views, i just hope if i ever find myself on an anti poaching patrol and come across either in an area neither are supposed to be in, same fate for both,whatever it may be.

https://www.conservationmagazine.org/2015/10/what-if-we-banned-trophy-hunting-in-africa/

Then come back and tell me that trophy hunting and poaching are the same.

[colossians323]

There was a dead mouse in the mouse trap in my garage. I didn't stalk it, I didn't hunt it and I didn't eat it. Is that wrong?

FTW

[Citadelgrad87]

I place poaching at the top, trophy behind it, one is done due to greed the other due to a need to brag about killing some animal usually with the 'hunter' having no skin in the game. You want to trophy hunt something,get a spear knife,etc and take the risk..if you beat it in the fight and live,you get the trophy..if not...cycle of life.
Regarding the eating bit...if you trophy hunted a lion leopard elephant,etc,would you eat it? Elephant,zebra,other prey a animal,probably....predator probably not and i doubt villagers would either. As you basically stated.

So what does one get from bragging about shooting an animal that one does not,potentially, get to keep any part of or any part of? Just the 'i killed an xxxx and it was cool??

Whats you opinion on the now legal killing of bears or wolves while in the den,hibernating or currently raising young?? To me its the ultimate chicken**** thing to do...

Idiocy. You arent consistent, you are ruled by feels.

Why should a trophy hunter hunt with a spear? Do you defend your home with a spear? Do you insist deer hunters use a knife? Why not? Deer are way more like a cow than a lion is, so why the free pass?

Because feels. You are ruled by emotion, and thats pathetic.

[OCEquestrian]

Hunting poachers would be better time spent. There is no such thing as "hunting" from a helo.

^^^^ Hunting rhino, elephant and other endangered species poachers would be far more fun and rewarding.

It would be fun if the various African countries established an open season and bounties on poachers. Think of the efficiency... collecting big fees for poacher tags and eliminating the threat to the endangered animals...

[IVC]

You want to trophy hunt something,get a spear knife,etc and take the risk..if you beat it in the fight and live,you get the trophy..if not...cycle of life.

We evolved brains, they evolved speed, strength, senses, claws.

If you take our evolutionary advantage away, you should also take their evolutionary advantage to make it a fair fight. This means that I go with a spear against a lion with three paws tied behind his back and a muzzle so he can't bite me. Fair is fair, right?

[IVC]

So what does one get from bragging about shooting an animal that one does not,potentially, get to keep any part of or any part of? Just the 'i killed an xxxx and it was cool??

It's like sex - some people cut off a few pubes on the sly to put in their "been there done that" diary so they can brag, some people just enjoy it...

[IVC]

Thats such bull****, someone paying $50k or so to bait a lion off a reserve so he can shoot it for a trophy benefits no one except the guys who took the 50large.

This is completely ignorant statement.

Animals that command such large fees are fiercely protected by the locals and are thriving. Animals that don't are just bush meat.

Don't believe me? Look at what happened in Texas where farmers had some African species for hunt. The herds were large and healthy. Then PETA types sued under the "endangered species act" and won. Now those animals are gone. Just like that, ignorance wiped out more than half of the endangered animals (the remaining part struggling in Africa). Brilliant, right?

[stormvet]

Thats such bull****, someone paying $50k or so to bait a lion off a reserve so he can shoot it for a trophy benefits no one except the guys who took the 50large. Does not benefit the community at large. Also it leaves the pride open to hostile takeover a d means death for any cubs under a year.

In africa the notion that trophy hunting somehow protects or conserves the wildlife is a frikkin pipedream . All trophy hunting does is fuel greed in which any local will do whatever is needed to get the animal in a position to be shot ,for the money....same crap as a poacher looking to get xxx for the 'medicinal value' the body parts of xxx bring on the asian or black markets.

We have our differing views, i just hope if i ever find myself on an anti poaching patrol and come across either in an area neither are supposed to be in, same fate for both,whatever it may be.

[SDBROKER]

The majority of poaching in Africa is for meat - not rhino horns & ivory (that just gets more clicks when the media runs stories about it). Unquestionably, the poaching of rhino / elephant is horrendous.

Hunting largely funds conservation and anti-poaching efforts. Tags are VERY regulated and land owners no what is at stake if they violate the very strict laws.

Also, not that the "eat what you kill" argument is valid; we DO eat portions of what we kill but 85% is donated with very few exceptions. For example, we kill an Eland on day 1 and eat off of it for 3 days but still have to donate 80% since it is such a large / meat-yielding animal. It's some of the most amazing meat ever. Two weeks ago, I ate duiker, bushbuck, zebra (can be good depending on how it is prepared), impala, wildebeest, and of course Eland.

Tags are issued depending on game count per region. For example, this year, we only had FIVE leopard tags for the entire country! Not a "hunt" I would do, but it's not completely profit-driven like people think... a little more goes into it and it's very regulated.

This is a video of the highlights for a 2-day Zebra hunt (yum, yum): https://youtu.be/5SNk1JsulxA

[bigmike82]

Ya know, I never understood why people take pride in shooting an animal that's near point blank range.

I don't take videos of myself doing my day to day job...how is that Zebra hunt worth taking a video for?

Come on now. Show some skill or something. My 2 year old daughter could have made that shot.

[Jimmy's]

Take the word Hunting out of the picture. It's merely eradication.

[tanks]

Ya know, I never understood why people take pride in shooting an animal that's near point blank range.
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Come on now. Show some skill or something. My 2 year old daughter could have made that shot.

So, in your opinion one should make difficult long distance shots on game and take the chance on just wounding the animal and let it escape and suffer? Do you even hunt?

Not to mention trophy fees are paid whether the animal is recovered or not.

Additionally, you really do not want a wounded lion, leopard, elephant etc. running around in the forest and possibly attacking other humans.

[SDBROKER]

Bigmike - Interesting. What distance was my shot taken from? What magnification was my optic on? Was I prone, off hand, off sticks?

Was the video condensed to represent the highlights of a 2 day hunt or do you think the video shows 90+ % of all there was to it?

[major burnout]

Poacher= AKA A poor Native African who wants to hunt but he doesnt have the $5,000 for a helo ride.

[k1dude]

Ya know, I never understood why people take pride in shooting an animal that's near point blank range.

I don't take videos of myself doing my day to day job...how is that Zebra hunt worth taking a video for?

Come on now. Show some skill or something. My 2 year old daughter could have made that shot.

So we have one idiot telling us anything that isn't up close required no skill. Now we have another idiot telling us anything up close required no skill.

You can't win with these anti-hunting lefties.