Thug gets a slug !

[AGGRO]

Know the laws of your State. If you live in a SYG State learn how to be polite and not assault people that might be carrying because they can shoot you.....legally.

[Rivers]

[IVC]

IMHO the moron deserved to get shoved. You can't hear it, but you can see it, he was not politely telling the woman she was in the wrong. Just like the comments about the guy pushing an "old man", he didn't have an issue yelling at a woman with kids in her car, when he was the more powerful of the two. That doesn't make the shoot a crime in of itself, but as a human being, everything that happened was a result of his actions, so ultimately I fault him.

You are equating verbal communication and assault. There is a MASSIVE line between the two that is somehow missing in your post.

Notice that the old man didn't advance towards the girlfriend, didn't pull his gun, didn't invade her personal space, etc. The only way the assault would be justified is if it was itself a self-defense action, e.g., if the old man was threatening the girlfriend. Even then, it would have to be a credible threat that includes intent and means to harm her.

As for "faulting him," let's consider a domestic situation. Your girlfriend/wife is giving you lip or yelling at you about something or something else and you shove her to the ground the way we saw in the video. Then, in the court, you say that she was yelling and harassing you and that she deserved to be shoved, she started it and it was ultimately her fault.

What do you think your chances would be?

[IVC]

Let's face it. Some guys (like Drejka) suddenly turn in to the town sheriff when they carry.

This is a valid point and this is the issue we should be discussing. How do you prevent or minimize this type of behavior?

The problem is that some states decided to enact "duty to retreat" laws. In theory, the law is supposed to prevent the guy on the ground from shooting in self defense as long as he has a chance to scurry away (which he has in this case). Looks good, right? However, imagine a guy in a bank being held at gun point, having a brief window to shoot the attacker and avoid being executed as a hostage later. If there is "duty to retreat," it becomes a murder.

Laws cannot replace morality. Unfortunately, this means that there will be gray areas where things many of us find immoral also happen to be legal. I would consider this to be such a case. I don't find it morally acceptable to shoot in this situation, but I certainly wouldn't want to have the law that would give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. When in the gray area, the tie should always go to the victim.

[Win231]

Drejka has a temper problem and the deceased was not standing over him. He pushed Mr. Tough Guy down on his punk butt and took a step back.

Would Drejka have been so brave about handicap parking enforcement without a gun?

Drejka was previously accused of brandishing during a road rage incident, and had previously caused trouble about handicap parking.

Drejka had no need whatsoever to shoot the deceased and should face 2nd degree murder charges for it.

WTF would you do if some ahole was bothering your woman, if you have one? Politely ask him to tone it down a little?

Maybe Drejka should mind his own business?

When I carry, I most certainly do not go around criticizing people for their parking habits. I do not go looking for trouble. I avoid it.

"WTF would you do if some ahole was bothering your woman, if you have one? Politely ask him to tone it down a little?"

I'd say to my woman, "C'mon honey, let's leave." Then I'd enjoy my next birthday.....unlike this thug.

[Win231]

Riderr, you and I have a very different perspective on matters, and I wonder if we are looking at the same video. McGlockton walked up, shoved Drejka down, and then did nothing. It appears to me he was satisfied by putting the loudmouth on his butt. I see no need whatsoever to shoot.

Had I been pushed on my rear, I would have been embarrassed and angry, so no I probably would not have apologized.

When you say play with the bull..., I see it as Drejka having played with the bull. Yell at a girl, her guy will get upset. I wonder if Drejka would have spoken to McGlockton the same way he spoke to her? And if he didn't have a gun? I bet he would have minded his own business.

I do not think I am the toughest guy out there, and I act accordingly. I also don't yell at women who park badly.

I avoid trouble when I carry, sounds like you don't. Drejka certainly did not.

You are correct about avoiding trouble - carrying or not. I always avoid confrontations.
But "Putting someone on his butt" during a verbal confrontation is a crime & can cost big time. As it should.

[Win231]

Maybe he was upset that some loudmouth was harassing his girlfriend. It is not "showing off" to shut the guy up. It's shutting up some loudmouth who is harassing your girlfriend.

No he should not have pushed him, but being embarrassed is not a shooting offense.

Being embarrassed, no.
Being assaulted, yes.

[God Bless America]

You are equating verbal communication and assault. There is a MASSIVE line between the two that is somehow missing in your post.

Notice that the old man didn't advance towards the girlfriend, didn't pull his gun, didn't invade her personal space, etc. The only way the assault would be justified is if it was itself a self-defense action, e.g., if the old man was threatening the girlfriend. Even then, it would have to be a credible threat that includes intent and means to harm her.

As for "faulting him," let's consider a domestic situation. Your girlfriend/wife is giving you lip or yelling at you about something or something else and you shove her to the ground the way we saw in the video. Then, in the court, you say that she was yelling and harassing you and that she deserved to be shoved, she started it and it was ultimately her fault.

What do you think your chances would be?

We all understand it is not OK to shove people. We all understand that it is generally illegal, assault and battery, and even though I think Drejka was out of line in harassing the woman, McGlockton should not have pushed Drejka down. I think we can all agree on that.

I do not believe being shoved on one's butt, even "violently," even if it "could have cracked his head open," matters if in fact the guy just ends up with a sore butt and a bruised ego. Having been shoved, with nothing more, is no reason to shoot. It is not "standing your ground." That the shove was illegal does not matter. It does not matter one bit. The penalty for an illegal shove is: 1) not death, and 2) not meted out by the general public, even uninvited angry parking nazis like Drejka.

"Standing your ground" only applies if there is a continuing attack. It means no duty to retreat. I do not see a continuing attack in the video. McGlockton was standing there. Hands by his sides. No kicking, no swinging, just standing there.

[Malmon]

Aggressor is dead. The world is a better place without him.

[Califpatriot]

I do not believe being shoved on one's butt, even "violently," even if it "could have cracked his head open," matters if in fact the guy just ends up with a sore butt and a bruised ego. Having been shoved, with nothing more, is no reason to shoot. It is not "standing your ground." That the shove was illegal does not matter. It does not matter one bit. The penalty for an illegal shove is: 1) not death, and 2) not meted out by the general public, even uninvited angry parking nazis like Drejka.

Are we watching the same video? After he shoves him, he keeps moving towards Drejka, although takes a step back as Drejka draws. Given the size differential, the fact that Drejka was on the ground and McGlockton was above him, I believe Drejka was in reasonable fear for his life, and I think there's almost no chance you'd get a jury to convict. Not happening.

[God Bless America]

Are we watching the same video?

I asked that same question earlier.

[ja308]

We all understand it is not OK to shove people. We all understand that it is generally illegal, assault and battery, and even though I think Drejka was out of line in harassing the woman, McGlockton should not have pushed Drejka down. I think we can all agree on that.

I do not believe being shoved on one's butt, even "violently," even if it "could have cracked his head open," matters if in fact the guy just ends up with a sore butt and a bruised ego. Having been shoved, with nothing more, is no reason to shoot. It is not "standing your ground." That the shove was illegal does not matter. It does not matter one bit. The penalty for an illegal shove is: 1) not death, and 2) not meted out by the general public, even uninvited angry parking nazis like Drejka.

"Standing your ground" only applies if there is a continuing attack. It means no duty to retreat. I do not see a continuing attack in the video. McGlockton was standing there. Hands by his sides. No kicking, no swinging, just standing there.

I believe this shooting was done in self defense. When a person is violently sucker punched or as in this case shoved down without any warning the victim has no way to know it ends there.

IIRC stand your ground was not a consideration in this case because he was attacked.

As a side it would be interesting to see if McGlock had a history of this and other thug type behavior.

Personally I believe this incident could have the added value of educating others to NOT engage in violent behavior over nothing. It should be noted the famed inner city knock out game ended when a couple of the game players were killed.

Is it your position someone playing the knockout game should not be shot or stabbed either? After all its only a punch !

[RuMasco]

Dude was looking for trouble but this is Florida's stand your ground law nothing that can be done......like the trayvon shooting we're zimmerman followed him and was the agressor. That being said it iirked me how they painter trayvon as little kid dude looked like a thug in his most current pic b4 death

[ja308]

Dude was looking for trouble but this is Florida's stand your ground law nothing that can be done......like the trayvon shooting we're zimmerman followed him and was the agressor. That being said it iirked me how they painter trayvon as little kid dude looked like a thug in his most current pic b4 death

[God Bless America]

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