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  • mlevans66
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2009
    • 9516

    Breaking Down The US Army’s Sub Compact Weapon Program

    We have been closely following the developments of the US Army's new Sub Compact Weapon Program since the release of an extremely broad Request For Information back in May. With no less than 13 sole source evaluation contracts for submachine guns issued its time we broke down the entries.


    In the first part of this series we looked at the numerous pistol calibre AR-pattern entries and the promising B&T designs submitted to the US Army's Sub Compact Weapon program. If you missed it you can check it out here.



    I am all about this. Having recently got into the PCC game its just to much awesome. I love a SBR or ARP but dang these PCC are just great. I bought a CZ Scorpion and its a dang on bullet hose. Now that the Army is in the market and its in all the match its about to be as hot as that Trump SCOTUS pick. lol

    The Prime Contenders

    The MPX,
    Scorpion EVO 3 A1
    CMMG Ultra PDW Sub Compact Weapon’
    Lewis Machine & Tool Company is submitting the intriguingly named ‘MARS-L9 Compact Suppressed Weapon’.
    Quarter Circle 10 5.5 CLT and 5.5 QV5
    Angstadt, UDP-9
    Trident Rifles B&T MP9
    Berettas New PMX Submachine Gun
    Heckler & Koch UMP-9
    I know there are some MP5 knock off entered as well.
    The liberal see's the glass as half full and tries to take more.
    The conservative see's glass as half empty and tries to keep it that way.
    I'm with the people on the side just pouring water in the glass trying to get a drink!
  • #2
    Scratch705
    I need a LIFE!!
    • May 2009
    • 12530

    surprised that HK is only submitting the UMP-9 and not the MP-7.
    Originally posted by leelaw
    Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
    Originally posted by SoCalSig1911
    Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
    Originally posted by PrepperGunShop
    Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).

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    • #3
      Spaceghost
      Calguns Addict
      • May 2006
      • 5772

      Redesigning the MP-7 for 9mm might not be worth their time for such a small contract.



      Originally posted by Scratch705
      surprised that HK is only submitting the UMP-9 and not the MP-7.

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      • #4
        mlevans66
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2009
        • 9516

        Originally posted by Spaceghost
        Redesigning the MP-7 for 9mm might not be worth their time for such a small contract.
        I was thinking the same. They already have the contract and figure they are already going to lose it anyway. They know how the game is played.
        The liberal see's the glass as half full and tries to take more.
        The conservative see's glass as half empty and tries to keep it that way.
        I'm with the people on the side just pouring water in the glass trying to get a drink!

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        • #5
          ChuckDizzle
          Banned
          • Dec 2013
          • 4398

          Interesting, I rented a CZ Scorpion and thought it was a hot load of garbage.

          Which is odd because I'm a CZ fanboy.

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          • #6
            beretta929mm
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 1492

            MP-7 is overrated, either Sig MPX or HK UMP 9 will win.

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            • #7
              Scratch705
              I need a LIFE!!
              • May 2009
              • 12530

              Originally posted by Spaceghost
              Redesigning the MP-7 for 9mm might not be worth their time for such a small contract.
              whoops, didn't read the part that the requirement is that the gun has to be in 9mm. i just assumed PDW, any caliber ok.

              then i'm surprised that KRISS didn't submit their vector.
              Originally posted by leelaw
              Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
              Originally posted by SoCalSig1911
              Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
              Originally posted by PrepperGunShop
              Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).

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              • #8
                mach
                Member
                • Jan 2018
                • 346

                I think the MP7 is awesome but the caliber sucks ***. IMO Sig or HK will get it. However, I cannot wait to get my CZ Scorpion S2 Micro that I have backordered. Kinda a dream gun.
                sigpic
                -sic vis pacem para bellum
                -qui audet adipiscitur

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                • #9
                  sigstroker
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 19681

                  They should rethink that and pick the .300 Blackout SIG Rattler. Smaller than an MP5 and much more powerful. Punches level II body armor like butter and works great with a silencer.

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                  • #10
                    Quiet
                    retired Goon
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 30242

                    US Army RFI for Sub Compact Weapons
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                    "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                    • #11
                      mach
                      Member
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 346

                      Originally posted by sigstroker
                      They should rethink that and pick the .300 Blackout SIG Rattler. Smaller than an MP5 and much more powerful. Punches level II body armor like butter and works great with a silencer.
                      300BLK would be a great choice, the Honey Badger needs to make a comeback
                      sigpic
                      -sic vis pacem para bellum
                      -qui audet adipiscitur

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                      • #12
                        nitroxdiver
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6979

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                        • #13
                          caliguy93
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2016
                          • 1512

                          No Kriss vector? But all the movies....

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                          • #14
                            Tere_Hanges
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 6270

                            The MPX or MP9 is the obvious choice.
                            CRPA and NRA member.

                            Note that those who have repeatedly expressed enough vile and incoherent content as to render your views irrelevant, have been placed on my ignore list. Thank you for helping me improve my experience and direct my attention towards those who are worthy of it. God bless your toxic little souls.

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                            • #15
                              mlevans66
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 9516

                              Originally posted by lightcav
                              The MPX or MP9 is the obvious choice.
                              Why the MPx? Its not a better suppressed weapon weapon (due to the charging handle being by the face and Sig is currently have QC issue across the board.

                              The MP9... yeah I go nothing for it except I want one.
                              The liberal see's the glass as half full and tries to take more.
                              The conservative see's glass as half empty and tries to keep it that way.
                              I'm with the people on the side just pouring water in the glass trying to get a drink!

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