NRA coup?

[GreggieBoy]

I still don't understand why people who complain about California politicians can't grasp simple mathematics.
State Senate: 27 Democrats, 13 Republicans
State Assembly: 53 Democrats, 25 Republicans, 2 vacancies

Voting along party lines, the Democrats are almost always anti-gun, the Republicans are generally more pro-2A. (Sometimes but not always). Simple math - 2 to 1. Once we understand the math how can the NRA or any other 2A rights group accomplish much?

The problem is the California gun owners who are willing to complain that the NRA isn't doing enough in California. These same people won't pick up a phone to call Sacramento or write a check to donate to the NRA or NRA-ILA. Why not? Because it is easier to complain than to actually do something.

[ja308]

I still don't understand why people who complain about California politicians can't grasp simple mathematics.
State Senate: 27 Democrats, 13 Republicans
State Assembly: 53 Democrats, 25 Republicans, 2 vacancies

Voting along party lines, the Democrats are almost always anti-gun, the Republicans are generally more pro-2A. (Sometimes but not always). Simple math - 2 to 1. Once we understand the math how can the NRA or any other 2A rights group accomplish much?

The problem is the California gun owners who are willing to complain that the NRA isn't doing enough in California. These same people won't pick up a phone to call Sacramento or write a check to donate to the NRA or NRA-ILA. Why not? Because it is easier to complain than to actually do something.

Agreed and how many will not join or contribute to the California GOP ?
Its painfully obvious not 1 cal gunner is moving into a state controlled by democrats. Every single one is moving to republican states and yet rarely do we see the GOP get credit for anything.

The NRA is doing its best here and I will vote the Hammer recommendations.
If you'r not NRA and not a member of the GOP you are the problem !

[RandyD]

I still don't understand why people who complain about California politicians can't grasp simple mathematics.
State Senate: 27 Democrats, 13 Republicans
State Assembly: 53 Democrats, 25 Republicans, 2 vacancies

Voting along party lines, the Democrats are almost always anti-gun, the Republicans are generally more pro-2A. (Sometimes but not always). Simple math - 2 to 1. Once we understand the math how can the NRA or any other 2A rights group accomplish much?

The problem is the California gun owners who are willing to complain that the NRA isn't doing enough in California. These same people won't pick up a phone to call Sacramento or write a check to donate to the NRA or NRA-ILA. Why not? Because it is easier to complain than to actually do something.

The real problem in California, is the liberals have a super majority in the state assembly and senate, and the governor is a liberal, and most judges in California are also liberal. Once a law is passed, the chance of a liberal state court or judge overturning the law is low. If you decide to seek relief in federal court, you will end up in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which has a long history of bizarre liberal rulings. Our only chance is to get a case in front of the U.S. Supreme Court and that takes years for a case to work its way to that level and the Supreme Court only reviews about 80 cases out of the 7000 to 8000 cases submitted per term. So, time and probability are not on our side, and to finance a case to the U.S. Supreme Court is very costly. In my opinion, I can understand the NRA using its financial resources in another jurisdiction. Firearm owners in California have benefited from cases being decided in other jurisdictions, once they make it to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Another possible means to loosening the strangle hold that the liberals have on this state is to support federal legislation, where they preempt state law, but that brings its own unique set of problems and in time it could create a national problem.

[Noble Cause]

It pathetic. The NRA chooses to fight proposed laws in states where no gun control law could ever pass and they claim that as a victory.

The only thing Pathetic is your derogatory swipes at the biggest and most
effective organization defending our 2nd Amendment Rights, the NRA.

Have you even bothered to read all the posts in this Thread, or do you just
blindly plaster your opinions without regard to what has already been said ?

Post the specifics of what egregious errors you perceive NRA has committed,
then explain why you expect any large origination to be Perfect,
and how you think its possible to satisfy the various different Needs And
Wants of Millions of Gun Owners each and every time.

The answer is you can't. All you can hope for is a General Consensus.

And you still haven't responded to my post showing how ignorant
your statement is:

Originally Posted by major burnout:
WAKE UP NRA! CA IS THE FRONT LINE!!

If the NRA cant save CA citizens from baseless senseless stupid gun laws the NRA aint worth a squirt of piss

But I guess that doesn't surprise me, you don't appear to be that observant.


Noble

[mlevans66]

WAKE UP NRA! CA IS THE FRONT LINE!!

If the NRA cant save CA citizens from baseless senseless stupid gun laws the NRA aint worth a squirt of piss.

Yeah this is not true anymore. Cali is just a liberal state now. The conservatives lost because of illegals and others non free thinking people voting. The crazy does not spread like it used to. You now have more constitutional carry states (13) then super gun control states like Ca, Hi, NY, NJ, and Mass. They are still breaking apart Ill as we speak. As much as I hate some of the dealing of the NRA with the bumpfire stock thing they have been in place like Ill fighting to get it free. Also just because places like Seattle and Portland are turning crazy is because of Ca people moving to those places and turning them into Ca turds. How much longer till cali people are no longer welcome?

[mlevans66]

The only thing Pathetic is your derogatory swipes at the biggest and most
effective organization defending our 2nd Amendment Rights, the NRA.

Have you even bothered to read all the posts in this Thread, or do you just
blindly plaster your opinions without regard to what has already been said ?

Post the specifics of what egregious errors you perceive NRA has committed,
then explain why you expect any large origination to be Perfect,
and how you think its possible to satisfy the various different Needs And
Wants of Millions of Gun Owners each and every time.

The answer is you can't. All you can hope for is a General Consensus.

And you still haven't responded to my post showing how ignorant
your statement is:



But I guess that doesn't surprise me, you don't appear to be that observant.


Noble

You are a bitter little NRA follower aren't you? Do you get paid by them or something? Can we have no opinion against some of the things they do that we don't agree with? Man you are rabid!

[Noble Cause]

You are a bitter little NRA follower aren't you? Do you get paid by them or something? Can we have no opinion against some of the things they do that we don't agree with? Man you are rabid!

Lol.

So defending the NRA from untrue statements somehow makes me a
"bitter little NRA follower" ?

Apparently your not clear on the concept of Free Speech.

Your free to espouse your Anti NRA opinions, and gun owners like
myself are free to respond to incorrect statements.

That's they way it works. In your world apparently, anyone who has the
audacity to respond to untrue statements regarding the NRA is a:
"bitter, little, rabid, paid shill".

Wow.

I'm surprised you didn't fit in "Bitter Clinger" rhetoric as well.

And yet I don't see anything within your insulting response as to why my
posts are incorrect. You didn't debate, you merely insulted. Do you think
that makes you right, or somehow give you the higher moral ground ?

And No, the NRA doesn't pay me, I do this on my own volition.
Does Bloomberg's Everytown pay you to insult NRA members ?


Noble

[GreggieBoy]

Count me among "bitter little NRA follower".

They are all that stands between California and the rest of the country losing their Second Amendment rights. Think it through. If California can outlaw private ownership of firearms, the Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Nevada are next. I'm sure everything thinks Nevada is a big, wide open state. Sure lots of land, but where is the population? Arizona and New Mexico will be tough but not impossible as they move eastward.

Wake up all you whiners and fence-sitters, California is the battleground.

I would bet you dimes to donuts that the NRA would rather spend money to build ranges, put on firearms and hunter safety courses, and other things than spend money on court cases that the 9th Circuit Court ends up making rulings on that ignore Constitutional Rights.

[mlevans66]

Lol.

So defending the NRA from untrue statements somehow makes me a
"bitter little NRA follower" ?

Apparently your not clear on the concept of Free Speech.

Your free to espouse your Anti NRA opinions, and gun owners like
myself are free to respond to incorrect statements.

That's they way it works. In your world apparently, anyone who has the
audacity to respond to untrue statements regarding the NRA is a:
"bitter, little, rabid, paid shill".

Wow.

I'm surprised you didn't fit in "Bitter Clinger" rhetoric as well.

And yet I don't see anything within your insulting response as to why my
posts are incorrect. You didn't debate, you merely insulted. Do you think
that makes you right, or somehow give you the higher moral ground ?

And No, the NRA doesn't pay me, I do this on my own volition.
Does Bloomberg's Everytown pay you to insult NRA members ?


Noble

As stated the NRA with its weak tactics and bumbling of the bumpfire stocks, it history of supporting some gun control laws and the fact that the board members we voted for have not been there to do a job but what to push out people who want to make a change leave a lot to be desired. They are looking more like the ACLU then I would like. If they get any worse they will turn into the GOP of the gun world. We need fresh blood and need to start taking back the rights lost.

[mlevans66]

Count me among "bitter little NRA follower".

They are all that stands between California and the rest of the country losing their Second Amendment rights. Think it through. If California can outlaw private ownership of firearms, the Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Nevada are next. I'm sure everything thinks Nevada is a big, wide open state. Sure lots of land, but where is the population? Arizona and New Mexico will be tough but not impossible as they move eastward.

Wake up all you whiners and fence-sitters, California is the battleground.

I would bet you dimes to donuts that the NRA would rather spend money to build ranges, put on firearms and hunter safety courses, and other things than spend money on court cases that the 9th Circuit Court ends up making rulings on that ignore Constitutional Rights.

No they are not! That's the people of THOSE states fighting. Until you get out of that cali bubble you are not going to see what other do in the states they live. 13 CC states and more coming with little NRA backing.

[Noble Cause]

As stated the NRA with its weak tactics and bumbling of the bumpfire stocks, it history of supporting some gun control laws and the fact that the board members we voted for have not been there to do a job but what to push out people who want to make a change leave a lot to be desired. They are looking more like the ACLU then I would like. If they get any worse they will turn into the GOP of the gun world. We need fresh blood and need to start taking back the rights lost.

NONE of which concerns my posts.

I posted to TWO individuals....

Originally Posted by PyroFox79:
Gun control keeps the NRA's coffers full. There is no real i terest in getting rid
of gun control as that would mean the end of the NRA. But you know keep
beleiving they care about your rights

He has posted similar Anti NRA crapola in the past, without once showing
any proof of his innuendos, he can't be bothered to join ANY Pro Gun Group
doesn't donate or help defend the 2nd Am, leaves that up to the rest of us.

And...

Originally Posted by major burnout:
WAKE UP NRA! CA IS THE FRONT LINE!!

If the NRA cant save CA citizens from baseless senseless stupid gun laws
the NRA aint worth a squirt of piss.

Originally Posted by major burnout:
It pathetic. The NRA chooses to fight proposed laws in states where no gun control law could ever pass and they claim that as a victory.

I posted rebuttals to his first post, which he ignored, only for him to post
another vague accusation, without posting an actual example.

The NRA cannot win with these types. Can you imagine the OUTRAGE
from NRA members living in a state:

"where no gun control laws could ever pass"

and the Anti Gun Democrats put Another Idiotic Gun Control Bill forward, and
the NRA Did Not Actively Oppose it ?!

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Your other points we can debate separately, I do agree about Nugent,
I feel he does more harm than good with the general public, despite
being rather eloquent in defense of the 2nd Am on occasion.

The NRA is a Large, Human Organization, and humans by their very nature
are prone to making mistakes and having widely differing viewpoints.

Despite that, the NRA continues to be the most Effective Weapon Americans
have to counter the constant Democrat assault on the 2nd Am.


Noble

[KSH]

New lifetime member, just got my voting packet. I saw Hammers list, didn't see anyone I had a problem with, but I don't really know any of these people. Kraut seemed ok as well. I was thinking of trading out someone from her list for Kraut. Opinions?

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[BumBum]

New lifetime member, just got my voting packet. I saw Hammers list, didn't see anyone I had a problem with, but I don't really know any of these people. Kraut seemed ok as well. I was thinking of trading out someone from her list for Kraut. Opinions?

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Better get that ballot in the mail, the due date for it to be received is nearly upon us.

[AreWeFree]

Life member, all my votes went to 3 people to represent me.

Number one, Ronnie Barrett.