Are you hoarding ammo?

[BTFlyer]

I turned this whole ban into a positive and decided to collect calibers I don't have a gun for but would like to own one day...that led me to buying my first shotgun and first .45 pistol

[Germ1]

No, there's no point. I shoot ammo, and I don't "hoard" it. If you're hoarding ammo instead of shooting it I have one question for you. Why do you even have guns? Because it's not to shoot them.

Plus I reload when I have the time, so I'm not worried. And I don't own any stupid obscure guns with obscure calibers, and 9mm is easy to find.

[RestrictedColt]

One can hoard/collect/stash ammo and also shoot. This may not make sense to the guy who always has to stop at the store to go shooting. To those of us who keep a supply and replenish it regularly we know that 'hoarding' and shooting can coexist.

After shooting several hundred on a range day I always have several thousand to come home to. Between shooting trips I randomly make more so that I always have a decent supply on hand. Some people who buy their ammo do similar. When they have a few bucks to burn they'll buy a box or case or whatever they can afford so that they always have a supply. Rather than getting ammo to go shoot, we get ammo because we shoot. I shoot more than all of my friends do and I have a supply that's greater than all of theirs combined, so no, shooting and 'hoarding' aren't at all mutually exclusive.

[Kyle1886]

I don't horde food but should there be an "event" natural or manmade, we can get by for a while, the same goes for water, some of the meds, and yes, even ammo.

Just trying to be prepared within my means.

Respectfully
Kyle

[hcbr]

Been hoarding just in case, but Im an FFL3+COE holder and know that some ammo places like SGAmmo and AIM are willing to accept my license and ship to me after 1/1/2018

[71MUSTY]

I only buy what I need.


For the next 5 years

[hcbr]

How much is the initial cost and annual dues for that?

Is it worth it? - how much do you actually save, especially if you only purchase small quantities.

And the value of the time spent on getting the certs and maintaining them.

As we get older, we realize that we only have a small number of heartbeats remaining.
Would we want to waste them on saving a few pennies?

Just a few thoughts ... as the Bard said, "to each his own"

Initial cost, you're looking about 150-200 depending on where you can get a good price for livescan (for COE). That's what costs the most. The FFL3 fee is just $30, and the COE fee is $54-$72 (for livescan) PLUS $17 for FBI background fee PLUS the fee for the livescan operator (which can vary depending on the establishment, thus why it's usually anywhere between 150-200.

so initial cost can be about 180-320. After that renewal for FFL3 is just $30 for every 3 years, and COE is every year for $22.

Hope that helps, here are the links, just follow them to a T

ATF Form

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-7-7-cr-application-federal-firearms-license-atf-form-531012531016/download

COE Form

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/coeapp.pdf

[More2LifeThanMPG]

Initial cost, you're looking about 150-200 depending on where you can get a good price for livescan (for COE). That's what costs the most. The FFL3 fee is just $30, and the COE fee is $54-$72 (for livescan) PLUS $17 for FBI background fee PLUS the fee for the livescan operator (which can vary depending on the establishment, thus why it's usually anywhere between 150-200.



so initial cost can be about 180-320. After that renewal for FFL3 is just $30 for every 3 years, and COE is every year for $22.



Hope that helps, here are the links, just follow them to a T



ATF Form

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-7-7-cr-application-federal-firearms-license-atf-form-531012531016/download

COE Form

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...rms/coeapp.pdf

Few questions for you, or anyone else that might know.

Isn't this option only valid until 1/1/2019?
Would one still have to "pay/owe" sales tax on said ammo purchased?


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[RestrictedColt]

Something to consider before getting an FFL. My understanding is that the paperwork includes something about giving the law the right to search your establishment at any time. If you don't have a shop and are using your home that means your home is open to search at any time.

[Dvrjon]

Few questions for you, or anyone else that might know.

Isn't this option only valid until 1/1/2019?

No.

Would one still have to "pay/owe" sales tax on said ammo purchased?

Technically, yes, but it is no different than today.

[TRICKSTER]

Something to consider before getting an FFL. My understanding is that the paperwork includes something about giving the law the right to search your establishment at any time. If you don't have a shop and are using your home that means your home is open to search at any time.

Your understanding is wrong.

If you have a 03 FFL, once a year ATF, and only the ATF, is allowed to do a compliance inspection of your Bound Book and your C&R firearms to check and see if you are keeping the proper documentation required by your license. They need to make an appointment and it is your choice if you want to do it at your home or the closest ATF office. They do not have the right to see anything other than your C&R firearms and Bound Book and can't just search your home. If you choose to do it at home, you can just pick a room or even your garage and put your C&R weapons and Bound Book there for the inspection and that is that.
In the 10+ years that I have been licensed, I have never been contacted for an inspection.

In the future, please don't post things like this when you haven't taken the time to see if it is true as this is how bad information and FUD is spread.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Curio_and_Relic/Licensed_Collectors

Curio & Relic Compliance Inspections "(D) At the election of a licensed collector, the annual inspection of records and inventory permitted under this paragraph shall be performed at the office of the Attorney General designed for such inspections which is located in closest proximity to the premises where the inventory and records of such licensed collector are maintained." ATF 2005 Regulations page 18. (ATF Publication 5300.4) The licensed collector may also elect to have the inspection conducted at their home. While C&R compliance used to consist of just bringing the bound book to the appropriate office, Inspectors are now (2009) often requiring that the collector bring their inventory (collection) to their office if they can not inspect them in the home

[John Henry]

I keep 15,000 of my complete rounds under my desk along with 16 pounds of powder and my Cuban cigars. Hopefully I won’t have a brain fart and grab the wrong case!

[Dvrjon]

Something to consider before getting an FFL. My understanding is that the paperwork includes something about giving the law the right to search your establishment at any time. If you don't have a shop and are using your home that means your home is open to search at any time.

27 CFR 478.23 - Right of entry and examination. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.23)
-Subdivision (a) Applies to all FFLs, including CCR; Requires a warrant; Requires entry during the collectors hours of operation.
-Subdivision (b) Doesn't apply to CCR; Doesn't require a warrant; Does require business hours entry.
-Subdivision (c) Applies to CCR; Doesn't require a warrant; Does require entry during CCR hours of operation; also, states:

At the election of the licensed collector, the annual inspection permitted by this paragraph shall be performed at the ATF office responsible for conducting such inspection in closest proximity to the collectors premises.

So, they can come with a warrant during hours of operation and come in. Or, they come without a warrant during hours of operation, and the CCR can request an office audit.

(OK, Trickster is quicker, today. )

[More2LifeThanMPG]

No.
Technically, yes, but it is no different than today.

So if one is an 03 FFL, and has to pay sales tax on purchased ammo. Wouldn't one also have to change the delivery fee?


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[Simple Man]

Not hoarding, but just ordered my last transaction from SGAmmo for more 357 Mag Hollowpoints. I am older than most, and should have 8 to 10 years of Ammo. All calibers, especially 2lr.