Warning: Full Auto Firearms!

[Jonathan Doe]

The "silencer" does not silence the sound of the gun shot. There is not "silent" gun even with the "silencer". It suppresses much like a flash suppressor that reduces the flash.

[mydogsmonkey]

yeah i for one would really enjoy using a supressor especially when i'm out at the desert and shooting, no hearing protection would be awesome

[nick]

Having significant hearing damage myself from a life time of shooting, my opinion is that suppressors should be available as health and safety devices.

And contrary to popular fiction, cans don't make crime easier. You're not going to pull a drive by with a can and not attract attention, and you can't fire one off in a crowded place without notice either.

+1. Movies make for poor education

[AJAX22]

I disagree with Bstrong on one point... You can fire off a single round just about anywhere (including crowded public places) and no one will notice.

No one gets up out of their easy chair for just one bang.... someone may glance up, or look around... but if there is no second loud sound or something to grab and hold their attention, they basically just go on with their business.

when I was young (and very very dumb) I tested this theory with a starter pistol... its amazing how apathetic our society is with regard to a lot of things.

[WHenderson]

Hmm. I thought the DIAS basically just helps you disconnect the disconnector each time the bolt carrier moves forward into battery. For as long as you have the trigger held down, the hammer will keep falling as the BC goes into battery. My impression is that it turns your AR into FA only, or controlled bursts if you can control the trigger.

Turby

A DIAS has no interaction with the disconnector.
The DIAS catches the hammer every cycle and holds it until the bolt carrier trips the DIAS and releases the hammer. The bolt carrier trips it just as it goes into battery.
As long as you hold the trigger (with an M16 fire control group and a DIAS) the hammer will keep falling, to be caught by the DIAS, when again, it's tripped by the bolt carrier and releases the hammer.
The addition of a DIAS and M16 fire control parts produces select fire. You can select semi or full automatic.
The addition of a DIAS to a regular AR-15 will do absolutely nothing.
Adding an M-16 fire control group, and a DIAS to an AR-15 is a hit and miss possibility (to get the intended result). Not all parts work in all guns.

is it legal to have just the M-16 Bolt carrier assembly, M-16 hammer, M-16 selector, M-16 disconnector and M-16 trigger BUT WITHOUT the DIAS? and another question... almost all issued service rifles (m16s) I've seen do not have full auto only burst ( 3 round), is this what you are reffering to by selective fire? and would a DIAS put in one of those m16's with only burst convert it to full auto? could come in handy in Iraq or Afghanistan

Select fire is the ability to select between semi-automatic and full automatic fire. A three round burst is considered full automatic.
You could not put a DIAS (drop in auto sear) in an M-16, it already has an auto sear. The internal cavity of an M-16 is milled differently than an AR-15, a DIAS wouldn't fit in any case. An M-16 with a burst capability has a slightly different fire control group than a M-16 without burst. To convert the burst to full auto you need to replace the fire control group. Another fire control group for M-16's is a 4 position selector fire control group producing safe, semi, full, and burst. There are known engineering and functional defects with the 3 round burst and 4 position fire control groups.

Turby: Your statement is absolutely correct for a known DIAS device for the AR-10. It uses a long arm, to release the disconnector with each cycle. The AR-10 DIAS (the one I saw pictures of, there's probably more) does not require a change of the fire control group. And it does make the rifle full auto only while it's in the receiver, even set on semi. There is no such similar "drop in" device I know of for the AR-15. Although it is how the Lightning Link works in an AR-15, it trips the disconnector with the bolt carrier at full battery. Most but not all Lightning Link rifles are full automatic only (unless customized to select fire).

[Californio]

The "silencer" does not silence the sound of the gun shot. There is not "silent" gun even with the "silencer". It suppresses much like a flash suppressor that reduces the flash.

I saw a show were New Orleans SWAT goes around at night and shoots Nutria with suppressed .22's without spooking the public, very useful in varmint eradication in the city.

http://www.nutria.com/site.php

Many CA counties do not allow poison control of ground squirrels because of the second kill effect of the poison. It is too bad State Law does not allow an exemption for varmint eradication. The damage to my families property from ground squirrels is massive and the property is in one of the counties that does not allow poison, air guns just don't do the job.

[Moto4Fun]

Are there ranges in Vegas that let you handle the full auto weapon outside of shouldering it and pointing the trigger? The term "rent" seems very deceiving relative to my experience. I "rented" an MP5 at a range and thought I would have a little time to fondle the gun and play with the controls a little bit. Once I signed the waiver, my "handler" grabbed 2 pre loaded mags and the gun and took me into the range. He loaded it, cycled the bolt, put the selector on full auto and handed it over. He then let me fire off the first mag while keeping his hand on my shoulder. Once I finished the mag he grabbed the gun changed mags and handed it back to me. When I finished that one, he took the gun and reeled in my target, made some slight compliment about my group and hustled me out of there. I felt raped. I wanted to load the magazines, I wanted to change them, I wanted to have the ability to buy another box of ammo and shoot it some more. But it was not like that at all. It was like a $50 carnival game.

Are there ranges that will actually rent you the gun and let you spend some time getting to know it?

Is it possible for California ranges to rent FA rifles and sub-machine guns? If they were more available to rent and shoot in a controlled environment, I would spend the money to shoot them.

[sandsnow]

[QUOTE=Moto4Fun;2689623]

Are there ranges that will actually rent you the gun and let you spend some time getting to know it?

QUOTE]

I know exactly what you mean, but I don't have any current info.

One of the shops in Vegas was cool about it. I got to insert the mag into the M3 grease gun, cycle it and blast away. I think it was The Gun Store. That was back in the '90s.

When SOF was there at the Desert Sportsmen Range, there was a guy who rented FA's. I got to load the individual rounds into a cloth belt using a hand crank machine. again back in the 90s.

In both cases I spoke up before I handed over my money on exactly what I wanted to do.

Give those that rent FA's a call and ask them.