Suicide at OC indoor range

[HectorEscaton]

Factually false? Didn't they teach reading comprehension in your ESL class? Where did my HSF donation go? I said nothing about the success rate of suicide attempts. I'm talking about the overall picture. In Australia, for example, the decrease in suicides after gun control was something like 1.5% per year. Hardly staggering.

Don't worry, my firearms are in a safe and all my ammo is locked up just like you and the rest of the libtards have mandated.

I love how you think I'm hispanic (I'm not). You are talking about the "overall picture" which is to say, entirely out of your ***. To make it clear, what you said is just simply wrong, and if you did even a tiny amount of research on the subject, you'd realize that. Your Australia number is also completely wrong.

[HectorEscaton]

Japan and South Korea have some of the highest suicide rates in the world and firearms are highly restricted in both countries. Bases 2015 statistics collected, South Korea is 26 per 100k and Japan is 15 per 100k vs the US at 12.6. Note that the US is only 0.7 higher than the EU as a whole. Care to enlighten us with hard fact and not emotions?


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You are making a basic logical error in suggesting that those numbers have anything to do with the question at hand. You have to compare suicides within the same cultures to have an idea of the affect of access to firearms. Contra to what the poster above suggested, suicides went way down in Australia. There are huge amounts of data on this. It's up to you if you want to remain ignorant or not.

[ShotgunDave]

I wish people would use incidents such as these to discuss mental health instead of throwing around unwarranted insults.

[Win231]

This is factually false. Access to a gun dramatically increases the rate of successful suicides. It's one reason that men have a higher success rate at suicide than women. I'm not saying that ought to affect the law, but if you own guns and don't realize this, you dangerously misinformed.

Or, simply in denial.

"How dare anyone say anything negative about guns!"

[reverser]

Ok, I'm game. Cite a source that isn't a liberal media site with an agenda.

You are making a basic logical error in suggesting that those numbers have anything to do with the question at hand. You have to compare suicides within the same cultures to have an idea of the affect of access to firearms. Contra to what the poster above suggested, suicides went way down in Australia. There are huge amounts of data on this. It's up to you if you want to remain ignorant or not.

[reverser]

Here's mine. While I wasn't exactly correct, I still don't see those HUGE numbers you're talking about.

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2530362

[Thoughts]

This is factually false. Access to a gun dramatically increases the rate of successful suicides. It's one reason that men have a higher success rate at suicide than women. I'm not saying that ought to affect the law, but if you own guns and don't realize this, you dangerously misinformed.

I suspect everyone has seen this line of thinking before. It's not valid reasoning. Correlation does not imply causality. Maybe men use guns because they are more determined to die, for example. There's no evidence to show that availability of guns determines the suicide rate. There are studies that show the opposite. People have studied the suicide rate in Canada near the US border, and just across the border in the US, and found little difference in the death rate, even though guns were use much less frequently in Canada. John Lott goes into a lot of statistics like this in his books.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Is this that range thats across the street from Proforce?

[cire raeb]

Suicide at OC indoor range

You are making a basic logical error in suggesting that those numbers have anything to do with the question at hand. You have to compare suicides within the same cultures to have an idea of the affect of access to firearms. Contra to what the poster above suggested, suicides went way down in Australia. There are huge amounts of data on this. It's up to you if you want to remain ignorant or not.

Do your homework before calling someone ignorant. Did you not see what I posted for the EU earlier? Currently, Australia is 10.2 per 100k, below the US and Europe. Seem negligible and on par with developed "Western/European" cultures with or without a 2A lifestyle. Furthermore, I heard in the news that it is climbing up again in Australia.


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[bajadan]

I can't find a news article on this? anyone have a source? usually they are all over these cases.

[CAL.BAR]

This is factually false. Access to a gun dramatically increases the rate of successful suicides. It's one reason that men have a higher success rate at suicide than women. I'm not saying that ought to affect the law, but if you own guns and don't realize this, you dangerously misinformed.

Yes... but JAPAN has the HIGHEST suicide rate and almost NO guns in the public's hands. So.... It may raise the rate where guns are available, but WILL NOT lower the overall suicide rate if guns are completely removed.

[cire raeb]

Yes... but JAPAN has the HIGHEST suicide rate and almost NO guns in the public's hands. So.... It may raise the rate where guns are available, but WILL NOT lower the overall suicide rate if guns are completely removed.

His next argument is going to be something like .......1-2% is astronomical and saving even 1 life is worth it.


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[dennis9288]

Is this that range thats across the street from Proforce?

Yep.

[tbc]

No it sucks ***. I thought about using a shooting range in Asia, but then the $3 per 9mm round was too much for my cheap American mind to overcome.

What? 3 bucks a pop will motivate you to be damn accurate at that Asia range.

[Stuttgart]

Is this that range thats across the street from Proforce?

Yup.

Prayers for the employees who had to see the aftermath.

I have always had positive dealing at OC Indoor range.... : good place for ppts, for gunbroker or out of state transfers, no problem to shoot aluminum ammo, ccw and beginner classes etc.