Suicide at OC indoor range

[beanz2]

It seems these shooting range suicides have one major thing in common, rental guns. Tough issue to solve. Where else is a newbie supposed to try out a gun? Those who are buddies with gun owners are lucky!

[keith1911]

Well that sucks, especially for the guys girlfriend. That's the first one there since they implemented the two person rule.

[waveslayer]

Very sad, at SHOT there was a system developed to eliminate suicides. It used lasers, if the gun wasn't pointed at the target to engage this receiver the trigger was disengaged. Pretty advanced system. That would help eliminate suicides over a 2 person rule

My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

[IVC]

Very sad, at SHOT there was a system developed to eliminate suicides. It used lasers, if the gun wasn't pointed at the target to engage this receiver the trigger was disengaged. Pretty advanced system. That would help eliminate suicides over a 2 person rule

Oak Tree had Armatix set up such a system. It was an add-on to the "smart gun" concept. The only difference was that Armatix CEO went to the CA legislators to sell the idea, not the SHOT show. They are interested in legal mandates, not free market.

Until we get enough legal protection for 2A, any idea that neuters guns or gun ranges is very dangerous.

[jarhead714]

OC Indoor gotta be the best place for PPT in the whole darn county.

[IVC]

They don't feel entitled, they are mentally ill and not thinking like the rest of us do.

Quit thinking of yourself, some poor guy was so depressed that he thought dying was the only answer.

What he did was wrong, but he wasn't doing it to inconvenience you.

Have some decency.

While the guy is certainly not thinking like the rest of us, it doesn't have to be mental illness. He could've been on anti depressants or variety of similar drugs that come with a suicide warning. Those labels and warnings are not there by chance - side effects are determined during clinical testing.

Also, I am not a fan of normalization of suicide. Ethics and morality of suicide are deep philosophical questions (and religious for those who are believers) and going just by empathy is way too shallow.

[Jimi Jah]

If you bring a black light then you can see all the blood stains on the walls.

[OCEquestrian]

They don't feel entitled, they are mentally ill and not thinking like the rest of us do.

Quit thinking of yourself, some poor guy was so depressed that he thought dying was the only answer.

What he did was wrong, but he wasn't doing it to inconvenience you.

Have some decency.

Sorry that was an premeditated act. An act of selfishness and while he asked the girlfriend to leave, knowing what the impact of witnessing his suicide by gunshot would be, he had absolutely no concern for anyone else at the range and depending how he did it, endangered them as well. I hope the SOB rots in hell for what he did to everyone else.

Apologists for criminals of all colors are the real problem in our society...and to not condemn it is to condone it in my opinion. I feel sorry for the guys family / survivors...he has ruined their lives as well as all the "innocent" witnesses at the range.

While sad and usually unnecessary, I have no objection to someone taking their own life... but require that they do so in private.

[waveslayer]

Oak Tree had Armatix set up such a system. It was an add-on to the "smart gun" concept. The only difference was that Armatix CEO went to the CA legislators to sell the idea, not the SHOT show. They are interested in legal mandates, not free market.

Until we get enough legal protection for 2A, any idea that neuters guns or gun ranges is very dangerous.

Selling at SHOT show is a better sound business decision then going to our legislators to force us to use it! That's the opposite of a free society .

This wasn't based upon a smart gun technology. I will pull out their info, they emailed us several times to get into our range in Florida.

It was designed as a training aid. For example an UZI in the hands of a 9 year old gettimg away from themselves killing the instructor... ring a bell. This would have eliminated that issue . It was developed in Italy

My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

[Win231]

While the guy is certainly not thinking like the rest of us, it doesn't have to be mental illness. He could've been on anti depressants or variety of similar drugs that come with a suicide warning. Those labels and warnings are not there by chance - side effects are determined during clinical testing.

Also, I am not a fan of normalization of suicide. Ethics and morality of suicide are deep philosophical questions (and religious for those who are believers) and going just by empathy is way too shallow.

I've seen how anti-depressive drugs screw people up. Doctors prescribe them like Skittles & everybody makes $$$$$.

[Win231]

Sorry that was an premeditated act. An act of selfishness and while he asked the girlfriend to leave, knowing what the impact of witnessing his suicide by gunshot would be, he had absolutely no concern for anyone else at the range and depending how he did it, endangered them as well. I hope the SOB rots in hell for what he did to everyone else.

Apologists for criminals of all colors are the real problem in our society...and to not condemn it is to condone it in my opinion. I feel sorry for the guys family / survivors...he has ruined their lives as well as all the "innocent" witnesses at the range.

While sad and usually unnecessary, I have no objection to someone taking their own life... but require that they do so in private.

^^^^ Bingo. Couldn't have said it better. Making others suffer because you are suffering is the ultimate selfishness & needs to be told like it is.

I have no problem with those who commit suicide; life can become unbearable. But there is a time & place for everything & doing it in public defines you as a complete scumbag. And that is how such a person should be remembered.

[keith1911]

BTW I can't find any published news about this. Anyone have a link?

[Steve1968LS2]

seriously?! tell me u didnt go into that dead mans pockets?

Well, it's not like he needed the money anymore...

Seriously though.. I feel zero bad for the guy the offed himself.. he certainly didn't feel bad for the business he was screwing over.. didn't feel bad for his girlfriend.. or his family.. or the other poor people at the range that were effected.

He didn't care that the owner of the range lost income needed to feed their family.. or that workers lost hours.. or that this will make future business harder..

The ranges should start suing the dead person's estate..

Want to kill yourself? Fine, free country.. but find a way that doesn't screw over as many people as possible.. It's sad, but even sadder when innocent people are dragged into the needless drama.

[Fastattack]

Ranges will soon be a thing of the past. Just watch.

If things like this keep getting attention, then yes, I agree. The nannies must feel the need to stop it.

[Fastattack]

Well, on another note, several years ago my aunt had her cousin over and he asked her to get something from the back room. While she was in the back room, he jumped out of her 30 story condo window and offed-himself. Just say'n, it ain't the gun. They will find a way.