SilencerCo + California?

[Scratch705]

I really like how when given a gift, the first thing the CA gun owner does is to shout out how wrong it is and how no one should see any light at the end of the tunnel. Honestly CA gun owners deserve all the craptastic laws you have on the books.

a poor gift at that.

how about instead of spending all that lawyer fees and donated that money to a pro-2a lawyer group in CA to help fight the laws instead of making what is effectively a giant gimmick that would barely sell and most CA gun owners would barely ever see, nor even know about. but will put anti-2a groups to rally against a new "evil sniper rifle" that is "silenced" and put anti-2a politicians to write even more stupid laws.

[RickD427]

I bet Silencerco has better lawyers that have made certain thier claim that it is valid. I mean, if you really wanted to do something to sort it out you could just call and ask, they are nice people, and generally answer thier phones promptly.

*Note that I do not own a Silencerco can, or any of thier other products, not because I would not want to, but because I just happened to like the SRT and Gemtech products a little better. Still they are good people fighting the good fight while MANY other suppressor manufacturers are silently withholding support for the HPA and other efforts to deregulate suppressors because those manufacturers feel like their product markup will be diminished if just anybody can buy one. Silencerco and some others are fighting for YOUR RIGHT to own a muffler for your gun so you can shoot without going deaf or having the Sheriff called when you want to go shoot out in the woods.

They deserve our support, not derision and apathy.

If that's true, let's hear their position. By this I mean their response to the California statutes.

I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out.

I've seen a couple of smart enterprising folks who have developed legal methods of circumventing California statutes. The "Bullet Button" is at the top of my list. But there's a lot more folks who have either ignored California law in favor of federal law, or have tried to push the envelope of California law to market their product. Methinks SilencerCo fits the second group.

But keep a couple of points in mind:

1) Relying on the mistaken advice of legal counsel isn't a defense to a general intent crime in California (there is some case law allowing this defense as to specific intent crimes). All of the violations we're discussing here are general intent crimes.

2) SilencerCo makes money off their product.

3) They don't go to jail for violating California law, their customer is the one going to jail.

[Casual_Shooter]

So...Waaa Haaapin?

Looks like this is happening....

SilencerCo has announced the Maxim 50 (50 States Legal) integrally suppressed muzzleloader. https://www.store.silencerco.com/products/maxim-50

[sffred]

I better grab one now before they say no more.

[Junkie]

Related:

In a free state, could an SOT make/pin/weld a "moderator" to a pre-1899 gun and sell it without a tax stamp?

[Laurence927]

would you point us to this law?

CA PC16520(d)

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=16520

[dwalker]

If that's true, let's hear their position. By this I mean their response to the California statutes.

I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out.

I've seen a couple of smart enterprising folks who have developed legal methods of circumventing California statutes. The "Bullet Button" is at the top of my list. But there's a lot more folks who have either ignored California law in favor of federal law, or have tried to push the envelope of California law to market their product. Methinks SilencerCo fits the second group.

But keep a couple of points in mind:

1) Relying on the mistaken advice of legal counsel isn't a defense to a general intent crime in California (there is some case law allowing this defense as to specific intent crimes). All of the violations we're discussing here are general intent crimes.

2) SilencerCo makes money off their product.

3) They don't go to jail for violating California law, their customer is the one going to jail.

I can see exactly how open your mind is. IN any case, none of this matters to me, although I will likely pick one of these up for next hunting season as not only are suppressors deregulated in TN at the State level, but they are perfectly legal for hunting.

[dwalker]

a poor gift at that.

how about instead of spending all that lawyer fees and donated that money to a pro-2a lawyer group in CA to help fight the laws instead of making what is effectively a giant gimmick that would barely sell and most CA gun owners would barely ever see, nor even know about. but will put anti-2a groups to rally against a new "evil sniper rifle" that is "silenced" and put anti-2a politicians to write even more stupid laws.

I have noted how supportive CA gun owners are of thier gun laws. As a community, you could not even get enough signatures to put up a fight against the gunmageddon legislation.

Reap as you sow.

[dommypls]

I have noted how supportive CA gun owners are of thier gun laws. As a community, you could not even get enough signatures to put up a fight against the gunmageddon legislation.

Reap as you sow.

You know how it is, people decide to vote with their feet instead of actually voting with their voice.

[GE Dash 9-44CW]

brilliant

[superhondaz50]

Gotta drive out of state to shoot it lol

[onelonehorseman]

"California Legal Supressor"

Three words I didn't think I would ever see together without some preface such as "no such thing as a" . . .

[RickD427]

Gotta drive out of state to shoot it lol

Actually, it's illegal even to simply possess within California. There's no federal law violation with the product, but California is different.

Please see the original thread on this subject for the details.

[Rusty_Shackleferd]

I'm down to be a guinea pig. I'd like to take one coyote hunting.

[Rusty_Shackleferd]

I bet Silencerco has better lawyers that have made certain thier claim that it is valid. I mean, if you really wanted to do something to sort it out you could just call and ask, they are nice people, and generally answer thier phones promptly.

*Note that I do not own a Silencerco can, or any of thier other products, not because I would not want to, but because I just happened to like the SRT and Gemtech products a little better. Still they are good people fighting the good fight while MANY other suppressor manufacturers are silently withholding support for the HPA and other efforts to deregulate suppressors because those manufacturers feel like their product markup will be diminished if just anybody can buy one. Silencerco and some others are fighting for YOUR RIGHT to own a muffler for your gun so you can shoot without going deaf or having the Sheriff called when you want to go shoot out in the woods.

They deserve our support, not derision and apathy.

California needs more people like you. This thread is full of defeatists and cowards.