Brownells Refusing To Ship My Glock Purchase

[nedro]

If you have a good FFL this is no problem, at all.

A good FFL will either block the mags for a small fee or just keep the mags and you will have to buy replacement mags. Be sure your FFL has a hi cap permit.

Of course having to buy replacement mags at minimum $40 for two, means you do not have any kind of deal at all. You do realize that you STILL HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX on this gun? And a FFL transfer fee anywhere from $25 - $100, plus the $25 DROS fee?

This is not a deal - you are going to end up paying MORE for this Glock than you would have if you had simply walked into a local gun store who sells them for $499. Even if the mags were not an issue, this is not a deal, it will be a wash at best.

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Just legally speaking, how does an out of state supplier sell an exempt gun to a non-exempt person in California, regardless of how sneaky your FFL is?
The SKU is restricted, no?

[SkyHawk]

Just legally speaking, how does an out of state supplier sell an exempt gun to a non-exempt person in California, regardless of how sneaky your FFL is?
The SKU is restricted, no?

There are no SKUs listed for Glock on the roster. And even where there are SKUs, like the Cz SP01 which has a different SKU for the 10rd vs 18rd versions, plenty of FFLs will swap or block the mags. The gun is then in the roster configuration. The mags are not restricted to a roster tested config, that is why manufacturers can make improvements in mags, like updated followers, and not affect the roster.

If the SKU on the box is what mattered, plenty of people would be importing free state Sigs and such with just a CA SKU printed on the box. It isn't the SKU, it's whats being delivered to the customer that matters. The FFL is not being sneaky, they are being diligent. If they are not diligent, then customers can sneak in free state guns in CA boxes.

It would be very easy to sneak an off roster free state Springfield 1911 without ILS past a FFL if the only thing that was being looked at were the stickers on the box. Or a half rail TRP vs a full rail TRP if all they did was look at the box and go by the SKU. In fact I saw a half rail TRP on the shelf with an incorrect SKU once at one of my LGS, and it was being offered as on roster. All of the employees were oblivious to the difference. The FFLs who know their business and the roster have nothing to fear, it's the ones who don't that should worry.

[heidad01]

A lot of good info here.
Bottom line is that a business like Brownell would not ship a gun that comes with more than 10 round mags to Calif. Further, I seriously doubt if they would remove mags and ship. Not doable in a big operation like theirs. I have never ordered guns from them, so not sure if they offer Calif specific (10 rounders) Glocks. Many on line dealers have those.

[crufflers]

Another small detail is for people ordering a gun with mags removed. Make sure your FFL has loaner mag or is ok with you bringing a mag in for the safe handling demo. My LGS always has loaner mags handy, but YMMV in this world.

OP, definitely buy local from an LGS that has fair pricing and you should be able to get a G19 for less with less hassle. G19's are everywhere. Even the OD ones are easy to get right now.

[nedro]

I wish conservatives were as persistent as the looser left of this country.
Then they could go onto the snowflake sites and mess with them every single day like the dweebs that come here to mess with us.

[Powder_Keg]

"If the SKU is not California legal, they can't ship it to California.

And why not buy local anyway, as Garv suggested?"

This. Doesn't matter what the "gun" is, if the sku isn't on the roster, you cant have it (unless you have an exemption).

Dumb move OP. Hope you learned something.

Agree. Once you pay the fee the receiving FFL will charge ($35-40) plus CA tax, you didn't save yourself any money. Should have just bought local for $500.

Save yourself the hassle and cancel the Brownells order and buy local.

[Mitch]

Just legally speaking, how does an out of state supplier sell an exempt gun to a non-exempt person in California, regardless of how sneaky your FFL is?
The SKU is restricted, no?

Not SKU, model number.

The SKU is the manufacturer's packaging. And a company like Brownells will determine which SKUs can ship to which states.

An on-roster model with 15 round magazines, say SKU 5010, cannot be shipped to a California customer.

But the same model number with 10 round magazines, SKU 5020, can be shipped to California.

As others have mentioned, it almost never pays to arrange to have current production firearms imported from out of state. Let your FFL do that. It will probably cost the same, if not less, and it will make your FFL happy.

I wish conservatives were as persistent as the looser left of this country.
Then they could go onto the snowflake sites and mess with them every single day like the dweebs that come here to mess with us.

If you think some n00b who thought he could get a better deal on a Glock from Brownells must necessarily be a dweeb snowflake who is here to mess with you, you have your hair screwed on too tight.

There are lots of easier ways to screw with you.

[crufflers]

I wish conservatives were as persistent as the looser left of this country.
Then they could go onto the snowflake sites and mess with them every single day like the dweebs that come here to mess with us.

Probably right on. I always chalk it up to this being a forum. Someone not even posting might glean something useful from a thread. OP is seldom the only beneficiary. Leftists are all over Calguns.

[JohnnyMtn]

OP - chalk this up to your education fee that goes along with buying guns in CA. If you're still purturbed then follow the advice of the screen name.

[Jeepergeo]

They will refund your money when everything gets figured out. I'm surprised the order system did not block the sale. Be patient and give it a week. Worst case, challenge the sale on the cc. You did use a credit card and not a debit card, right?

IMHO, the Internet purchase of firearms rarely over time saves much after factoring in the headaches. Sure, folks will chime in different, but their bad luck just hasn't hit yet.

A relationship with a good LGS is the way to go.

[TRICKSTER]

Interesting first post.

[nedro]

If you think some n00b who thought he could get a better deal on a Glock from Brownells must necessarily be a dweeb snowflake who is here to mess with you, you have your hair screwed on too tight.

There are lots of easier ways to screw with you.

That much of a newb would not know enough to jump through the required hoops that this Stalinist State puts up to watch you dance.
No, this is either a calculated dig by a snowflake, a CA politician or its subjects, or it's a CDOJ agent.

[LawyerUp]

I really appreciate the comments and warm welcome gentlemen. I didn't expect this much feedback but I did learn a few things. I forgot to mention that in the promo I was supposed to get a $25 gift card as well. That, coupled with a $20 transfer fee and $25 DROS, I thought the math made sense. Before the purchase, my FFL assured me he would block the mags so I thought no problem.

That much of a newb would not know enough to jump through the required hoops that this Stalinist State puts up to watch you dance.
No, this is either a calculated dig by a snowflake, a CA politician or its subjects, or it's a CDOJ agent.

nedro, try a 2L law student specializing in Constitutional and Criminal Law

[nitehawk117]

I'm pretty sure somewhere on their website it has the disclaimer about you being responsible about making sure that your purchase is legal in your area.

[Crazed_SS]

Hi-First time posting and new member. I purchased a brand new Glock 19 G3 from the Brownells website a few days ago. I used a promo code and the total price came out to $459 shipped. However, the gun includes (2) 15 round magazines. I called Brownells customer service and asked if they can swap those magazines out for 10 round magazines. The lady got back to me and said they cannot ship the gun because they have no way of contacting the shipping department and telling them to take the 15 round magazines out of the package.

From my understanding, if a gun is shipped to a CA FFL with any magazines over 10 rounds, the FFL will keep it.

My questiono I have an enforceable Contract with Brownells, since there wasn't a disclaimer stating the company cannot ship this item to CA?

This is on you.

I'd politely ask if they could refund the money and apologize for wasting their time.