Benelli m4 or scar 17

[cyclopes85]

This is my favorite rifle and just set up my second one with a NF NXS 3.5-15 x 50 on the way. Got it BNIB off an FN forum member for $2850. He shipped the upper less the bolt to my FFL and the bolt, lower and stock assembly to my house where I made them CA compliant at my leisure. The M4 is still on my short list so I guess I'll eventually have both.

I have the exact same rifle and scope combo and love it. You'll have fun with it. Which reticle on the NXS?

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[The Shootist]

My Scar 17 is one of my favorites with that being said an M4 is on the list to buy this year.....both are great and are not in the same realm for a comparison. It all depends on what you will use it for and what role it will play...Home defense or range rifle. That said I vote get them both it's how I make decisions these days.

[CAGLS]

I have the exact same rifle and scope combo and love it. You'll have fun with it. Which reticle on the NXS?

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See through Mildot.

[Mute]

What exactly is this for? A .308 is less than ideal for a home defense gun. I like the SCAR well enough, but I personally wouldn't pay CA prices for something that will need to be neutered to CA compliance standards.

[Mitch]

Every M1014 I saw in the Corps had the fixed stock.....just sayin'.

Here's a pic I took at Camp Pendleton, maybe around 2005 or so, of Marines training with the M1014:



They had the collapsing stock, but it had two positions: too long and too short. For some reason the intermediate (and most useful) position was not enabled.

What determines whether or not a Benelli M4 has a collapsing stock is the adjustment grooves machined in the return spring housing. All Benelli M4s can accept the M1014 skeleton stock, but if the shotgun does not have the adjustment grooves, it will remain a fixed stock.



The shotguns in the top photo did not have the groove for the intermediate stock position; it used the middle recoil housing in the second photo. The reason the Marines have wrapped the stocks with rags is because the pointy end of the skeleton stock would cut into their cheeks. One of the trainers I spoke to said the stock "was designed by Hitler." It's truly a terrible stock.

Eventually, I heard, the Marines got their shotguns modified so the stocks could be moved to the intermediate position.

I have two Benelli M4s. One has a single adjustment groove (lower shotgun in image below), but the other has the two additional grooves (upper shotgun). I also have a few of the skeleton stocks. When I was in California, I was extremely careful never to install the skeleton stock on the shotgun that had the adjustment grooves; though installing the stock on the other shotgun was not an issue.

[jrpowell3]

Here's a pic I took at Camp Pendleton, maybe around 2005 or so, of Marines training with the M1014:



They had the collapsing stock, but it had two positions: too long and too short. For some reason the intermediate (and most useful) position was not enabled.

What determines whether or not a Benelli M4 has a collapsing stock is the adjustment grooves machined in the return spring housing. All Benelli M4s can accept the M1014 skeleton stock, but if the shotgun does not have the adjustment grooves, it will remain a fixed stock.



The shotguns in the top photo did not have the groove for the intermediate stock position; it used the middle recoil housing in the second photo. The reason the Marines have wrapped the stocks with rags is because the pointy end of the skeleton stock would cut into their cheeks. One of the trainers I spoke to said the stock "was designed by Hitler." It's truly a terrible stock.

Eventually, I heard, the Marines got their shotguns modified so the stocks could be moved to the intermediate position.

I have two Benelli M4s. One has a single adjustment groove (lower shotgun in image below), but the other has the two additional grooves (upper shotgun). I also have a few of the skeleton stocks. When I was in California, I was extremely careful never to install the skeleton stock on the shotgun that had the adjustment grooves; though installing the stock on the other shotgun was not an issue.

That's strange, cause every one I saw in Iraq in 2006 were the solid stocks that come standard on the M4. Also, I wouldn't mind getting the skeleton stock for my M4.

[Mitch]

That's strange, cause every one I saw in Iraq in 2006 were the solid stocks that come standard on the M4.

Good. Those are nice stocks (though almost two inches too long). The skeleton stocks are crap.

[jrpowell3]

Good. Those are nice stocks (though almost two inches too long). The skeleton stocks are crap.

Yeah, all the ones I handled with the standard stock didn't feel too big or unwieldy, and didn't make me feel that it was too big to do the MOUT stuff we trained for.

[CAGLS]

I have the exact same rifle and scope combo and love it. You'll have fun with it. Which reticle on the NXS?

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What height scope rings did you use?

[cyclopes85]

To be honest I don't recall but I went with a Bobro mount and couldn't be happier. I wanted the ability to quickly disconnect the scope for short range use while maintaining the ability to quickly reconnect without losing too much accuracy. Recoil magazine did a write up on quick disconnect mounts a while back and if I recall correctly Bobro had the tightest tolerances which naturally lead to greater accuracy after reconnect. The black notch behind the scope mount is for my brass catcher...

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[cyclopes85]

What height scope rings did you use?

I went with the MOAR reticle, scroll up for my response. Meant to reply to yah.

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[syntaxerror]

I had a SCAR 16, which was fun to shoot, but it wasn't much different than your typical AR-15 besides the OS. The SCAR 17 is good, but expensive. Go for the LMT MWS .308. Various barrels and parts available for any type of scenario at the fraction of the cost of a FN barrel assembly. I have a LMT MWS .308 and Remington 870 and they both get the job done. I will be looking to buy a Benelli M4 in the future, though.