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Kemasa.
False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.
Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.
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I'm talking about all the 'people' here who suggest they should take the money and run, when they should be trying to get that gun into the hands of a new owner. Of course, you can always rationalize it in the sense that the buyer essentially paid the government to destroy a gun, and you profited from it. Which doesn't really make sense on a pro-2a board....Comment
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^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^
This is not difficult to find out AHEAD of time using the DOJ Pesonal Firearm Eligibility Check and there is a form you can fill out to make sure. My guess is the buyer knew there was something in his background, but thought "hey maybe it won't come up"
I have bought over 20 firearms and I knew I had a past and I checked into it WELL before I made my first purchase. Just saying it only cost $25 to find out
Originally posted by Citadelgrad87sigpicOriginally posted by HoooperComment
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I disagree there Cheese. I would bet the buyer new there was something that prevented the DROS. And if not sounded a bit on the douche side by "demanding" his money back, rather than trying to complete the sale either by contacting the DOJ and or working with the seller.
"Dude I failed the DROS I want my money back" does not make my charity list.
"Hey something is wonky on the DROS so can we work together to see if it is me or the gun that causing the delay" would make me want to help.Originally posted by Citadelgrad87sigpicOriginally posted by HoooperComment
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Common decency is to not try to buy a gun if you will fail dros.
One can check by filling out a firearms eligibility form prior to purchase
Again,
NCIS can make mistakes, so some leeway should be allowed by the seller, but more often than not the buyer either knows, or should know they are not eligible.
My time is money, and of more value than many of the firearms I have sold.
If the buyer messes me around d/t their own indescretions, this is npt my problem.
If the buyer makes itmy problem, then they will be charged for my time wasted - and any assoc fees (shipping, fuel, BS cost).sigpic
Originally Posted by Cali-Shooter
To me, it was a fist-fight, except that I did not counter-attack.Comment
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There are two guys. Both are out time and money. Are you saying that the "common decency" is that the guy who is at fault is entitled to the free time and money of the guy who is NOT at fault?
The default position is that the buyer owns the firearm. The seller is done. The buyer should find another buyer, spend time and money advertising and negotiating price, then sell it to the next guy. If the buyer wants to avoid all the hassle, he can offer it to the original owner who has the right to say "no" - he doesn't want to purchase the gun he just got rid of. It's up to the buyer to "sweeten the deal" to the original seller to make him want to take the gun back.
This has nothing to do with the seller. It's buyer's gun and he needs to figure out what to do with it.sigpicNRA Benefactor MemberComment
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It's not a good comparison since without the delivery the purchase is incomplete.
However, if you sell something and money and goods exchange hands, there is vast law that handles what can and cannot be done, what is implied in the sale and what is not. Duty to repurchase is certainly not a part of that law.sigpicNRA Benefactor MemberComment
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Easy solution.
Buyer is prohibited but has monetary value entitled to him.
The prohibited buyer should consign the firearm through the dealer.
It's legal, it's easy, seller is not involved and buyer gets some money back as well as FFL making a small sum off consignmentComment
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A bunch of us fall between the "give him all of his money back" and "keep all of it". Exactly where we choose to leave it depends on many factors, including distance from the FFL (cost of driving), our income (cost of time), and the price of the gun. It would also depend immensely on the "mea culpa" skills of the buyer.
Be nice, apologize profusely, and I may give it all back. Be an *** and I may keep all of it.BillComment
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Kemasa.
False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.
Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.
Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. HeinleinComment
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I believe 539 <Pan>. Cleared the way for what I was suggesting
AB539 by Pan — Lets someone who’s temporarily prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm to transfer firearms in his or her possession or ownership to a licensed firearms dealer for storage.
This bill passed in 2013
This would also allow for consigningLast edited by taperxz; 04-24-2017, 1:41 PM.Comment
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It has never been transfered to him. In the DROS system, it is not registered to him. Therefor, I cannot see how that would apply. But IANAL.Comment
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