Buyer failed dros

[The Shootist]

There is always that; may still need to return the money to the failed buyer legally, but the failed buyer can't be making demands on how fast that money needs to be returned for this reason.

The seller may now need to wait to "re-sell" the gun to someone else in order to re-coup the failed-buyer's cash, because the seller has already spent it on something necessary (like taxes? - not getting that back, and a good reason many people sell guns this time of year).

So the buyer needs to wait or can help in finding a new buyer. All that aside, there is still lost time, gas, and fees for the seller and should STILL be deducted from the money returned to the failed buyer once the subsequent sale is realized.

I agree sounds pretty fair with what you said The Gleam...wait till the gun sells to recoup money minus what's fair for the hassle, time, and fees

[FalconLair]

Anybody else want to tell OP what to do with his own damn money?

only problem being a judge may have a different opinion as to what money belongs to the seller

[Calguns77]

No. Why did he fail?

For all we know, he has a TRO for stalking or domestic violence in beating up his wife, other past violent criminal activity, or some other reason that warrants no "pity" whatsoever.

Deduct fairly for lost time, fees, gas, and return the difference to the failed buyer when able; to me that would mean when the seller finds another buyer for the gun to recoup the cash he is now out until a second buyer comes along.

Maybe because the system isn't perfect, mistakes happen and people get denied all the time who are legally allowed to own firearms? Maybe the the CA governemnt is filled with semi-retarded individuals?

If you sold something online and usps returned it to you because the buyer gave the wrong address info, do you really think you're entitled to both his money and the item, just because it was the buyers mistake?

[Angrysnarf]

Return money after gun is re registered to you

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[The Gleam]

Maybe because the system isn't perfect, mistakes happen and people get denied all the time who are legally allowed to own firearms? Maybe the the CA governemnt is filled with semi-retarded individuals?

If you sold something online and usps returned it to you because the buyer gave the wrong address info, do you really think you're entitled to both his money and the item, just because it was the buyers mistake?

Stupid to have "pity" at all - and your comparison asinine and not even remotely close; it's not a simple academic mistake to actually be denied; delayed is one thing, denied is another. You are intermingling the two.

Yet, read my posts above; where in the hell do you even get an inkling that I said he is entitled to both the gun and the money? I hammered it out quite clear, and what would likely fly in small-claims court in front of any judge.

Don't be daft, stupid, or both; because that would be the only reason for your post above, other than lack of reading comprehension.

[Calguns77]

Stupid to have "pity" at all - and your comparison asinine and not even remotely close; it's not a simple academic mistake to actually be denied; delayed is one thing, denied is another. You are intermingling the two.

Yet, read my posts above; where in the hell do you even get an inkling that I said he is entitled to both the gun and the money? I hammered it out quite clear, and what would likely fly in small-claims court in front of any judge.

Don't be daft, stupid, or both; because that would be the only reason for your post above, other than lack of reading comprehension.

Lol the second part was for the thread in general. I enjoyed your immense butthurt though. Way to keep it civil.

it's not a simple academic mistake to actually be denied; delayed is one thing, denied is another.

Better tell all those thousands of people wrongfully denied by NiCS it doesnt happen.

[Mitch]

never had to dros failed sale back to me . Has anyone had to do a dros on failed sale.

I've had buyers fail DROS twice, and I don't recall any paperwork to get the guns back. This would have been eight or ten years ago. Apparently according to the current PC the guns should have been re-DROSed, but this wouldn't be the first time FFLs didn't actually understand the laws under which they were operating.

[ef9boy88]

Anybody else want to tell OP what to do with his own damn money?

Well since he actually solicited the advice, yes.
Keep a reasonable fee, pick up the weapon and make another go at selling it.

[RTE]

As Said Many times before, It's really not your issue anymore.
Let the buyer figure out what to do with his item.
If your a gambling man...Roll a die 1 thru 6 X 10%.
Refund that percentage of the cost, IF you want the item back.

[003]

I would never ever take advantage of another person’s misfortune, and I believe anyone that would is a real “dick”. Now having said that as far as I am concerned, the sale was completed and is final. If I sell a gun it is because I do not want it, and while I would feel bad for the person denied DROS, I would not get involved in trying to help work it out.

If a person is denied DROS, I would leave it up the buyer and gun shop to work it out. While the owner cannot legally take possession of the gun, he/she should be able to work it out with the shop to either purchase the gun outright, or put it on consignment.

If the owner loses money on the deal, that is unfortunate, but not my concern.

[Duke]

you could refund it with a restocking fee. we are a community lets stick together.

goes back to the old rule our parents taught us treat others the way you would want to be treated.

[westcoaster]

Direct him to this thread. He SHOULD see what the genreal public thinks is fair, which is NOT giving him a full tefund. Personally I would refund 80-90% depending on if he was a cool guy and if I had to drive far.

[PoorRichRichard]

And I repeat...

OP- I sincerely hope everything gets worked out. I have a piece of advice for you for future PPT sales:

Set your expectations with the a buyer before a sale.

Tell him/her that if they fail the dros, you will only refund X amount of dollars to cover your time and $35 dros fee you now have to pay to get the gun back. If the gun for sale is a small amount of money to begin with (example- a cheap $90 Hi-Point or Jennings), just tell your buyer (before sale) they are up $h1+s creek ($0 refund) if they fail the dros.

If this not already there, I think it ought to be a sticky in the for sale forum...

[Mitch]

you could refund it with a restocking fee. we are a community lets stick together.

goes back to the old rule our parents taught us treat others the way you would want to be treated.

Actually, Jesus said that. But hardly anyone around here cares about what that old guy said, amirite?

[mmayer707]

It's his gun and his problem not yours. If you consider buying it back (which is what you are really doing) do so for at least 30% less than he paid.
You are under no obligation to go pick it up. The FFL does have an obligation to turn it over to LEOs if you don't pick it up and the buyer is denied.

Yup, you have your money, not your problem IMO. His problem now. He may be getting the run around, he may be a criminal. Again, not your problem.