First PPT Concerns

[RiskyBusiness]

I don't think you'll find a dealer willing to mess with that $1 scam. If it's a pistol you really want and you just cannot find it anywhere local, then yes, that's an instance where I'd say go ahead and get it, as long as you're willing to pay for it. I had several rifles that I paid way too much for last year because I wanted/needed to get them before January 1, 2017...I don't regret having done so.

If you don't mind saying, what pistol is it that you are trying to buy?

ill find out what the FFL's stance is on how they deal with the tax and if theres no getting around it i'd be okay with it just as long as they dont use the retail value as a reference. Raptor SS II

[Abu Riyah]

So for that Kimber, yeah...looks like a lot of folks want $1,400...a few, less...that one in Roseville looks nice for $1,150. Anyway, just do the math: $1,100 (the price you listed in one of your posts), add in the tax and the transfer fee, any shipping costs, and DROS... then compare that number to the local price with the $35 DROS/xfer fee for a PPT. In your case, I think you may be getting a nice deal, so go for it and just remember to always do the math to get the best deal.

[Creampuff]

the guy lives near sacremento so i figured him shipping it wouldn't be a problem but i was under the impression there wouldnt be tax. But because its not a ppt and then there will be? thoughts on my suggestion of the $1 price tag for a $1100 gun to avoid tax? is this allowed?

i've been keeping a lookout for this handgun in so cal and mostly everyone wants 12-1300. Thought this was a nice deal but i gotta straighten out all the facts. thanking everyone for their input on this.

If I were the seller or the FFL, no way would I want to get mixed up with under reporting the value of a sale. Especially if something what wrong with the purchase on either end.

[meanrock]

Easy solution for ffl to ffl shipped sales- you have him go to his ffl, and then you call that stores number(yelp or google it) and ask to speak to the clerk doing the sale. Once he has your sellers drivers license in hand and confirms the name over the phone and the firearm model, you either paypal or usps moneyorder the cash.

[ElDub1950]

thats a good question, the standard transfer fee is actually really cheap but ive read stories of some FFL guys tacking on a lock with a $40 price on it so i'll give them a call and get more info tomorrow.

You're kinda getting your terms mixed.

There's the $35 DROS, = $25 for state + $10 for FFL (regulated amounts)

Then there's tax.

Edit: Then there's the overpriced lock (sometimes)

Then there's the transfer fee. This is whatever the FFL wants to charge for them to receive the gun from someone else, for you. $50-$100 is not at all unusual.

Then you might have to pay shipping, depending on what you and the seller worked out.

If you're buying any readily available, common gun, you'll end up paying way too much. Since you say it's on roster, there's hardly anything that's worth paying an extra $100-$150 because you can walk into a store a buy one off the shelf for less.

Get out your calculator ... unless you've already paid the seller. In that case, get out your crying towel

[edgerly779]

fud don't paypal pay with usps money order so if fraud can go after. Seller never accepts escrow of payment till ffl receives firearm. Find ffl with best transfer fees near you. You pay sales tax unless youmeet and do ftf ppt. Forget phoney receipt for firearm ffl shpuld charge tax on current market or throw u out for fraud. By the time you add transfer fee 30-100 bucks sales tax 90 bucks shipping 50 bucks just travel there and do ftf ppt transaction. (ROAD TRIP)
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[RiskyBusiness]

fud don't paypal pay with usps money order so if fraud can go after. Seller never accepts escrow of payment till ffl receives firearm. Find ffl with best transfer fees near you. You pay sales tax unless youmeet and do ftf ppt. Forget phoney receipt for firearm ffl shpuld charge tax on current market or throw u out for fraud. By the time you add transfer fee 30-100 bucks sales tax 90 bucks shipping 50 bucks just travel there and do ftf ppt transaction. (ROAD TRIP)
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I'll report back in a few hours on the total cost. It seems like it won't be worth it compared to a ptp locally. I just gotta wait for another good deal. Is it the FFL who makes the judgement call on what's market value for this gun or does he go by a Kelley blue book for Guns of some sort lol I'm confused. Road trip from LA to sac town no way and after 10 days I would have to go back

[kozumasbullitt]

Just remember when you lie about the selling price, the seller only owes you a refund on the selling price if something were to go wrong. I knew a guy that tried to cheap out on a car and had the seller put a really low price on the Bill of sale. Something went wrong during shipping and the seller refunded the buyer the Bill of sale amount rather than the real amount. The buyer took the seller to small claims court and the case was kicked out because the buyer was admitting to fraud and only had substantial record of paying the fake value. If that gun goes missing during shipping, you would be legally entitled to a $1 refund.

[Mr. Beretta]

Sounds like a lot of drama to save a couple of bucks.

Your money.

Oh and BTW, the "1 dollar" scam, ain't going work.

If you want the gun that bad, then pay the fees, pay the taxes & enjoy the gun.

[GM4spd]

[Jeepergeo]

Your internal radar already tells you that what you contemplate doint is shakey at best, so why bother? Find something just as nice and verifiable at a local gun store in your area, and buy there and lose the worry.

[ShermanOaks]

Stop at Walmart on your way to the FFL, buy a lock, show them the receipt, then on your way home, return the lock.

That's a lot of time and travel to avoid the $7 average fee the FFL charges for a lock.

[Cokebottle]

That's a lot of time and travel to avoid the $7 average fee the FFL charges for a lock.

For a $7 lock, I'd agree, but he's worried about the FFL charging $40 for the lock.
The Walmart thing is a good deal in that case.

But he's dealing with Ace and they don't pull that &^$%

[kcheung2]

Kick the seller an extra $50 or $100 and meet somewhere in the middle. Tracy Rifle & Pistol is a good place. Then it truly is a PPT, and thus no tax, just DROS & transfer fee. Maybe a $10 lock. And no need for tomfoolery with the $1 bill of sale.

With shipping, your concerns would be if the seller is legit, the condition of the gun, and whether UPS damages/loses the package. By meeting up, your only concern would be the hassle of making that 2nd trip 10 days later.

I think it's worth it just to be able to inspect it in person.

[RiskyBusiness]

Sounds like a lot of drama to save a couple of bucks.

Your money.

Oh and BTW, the "1 dollar" scam, ain't going work.

If you want the gun that bad, then pay the fees, pay the taxes & enjoy the gun.

Sorry for thinking of a way to avoid paying firearm taxes to a non firearm loving state. People do it when giving away cars i figured it could work in this case.