First PPT Concerns

[Cokebottle]

About to start the process tomorrow for a handgun on roster and the owner will be shipping from his ffl to mine.

This is not a PPT, this is a dealer transfer/sale.
Roster applies.
1-every-30 applies.
Transfer fee is not limited to DROS+$10... your FFL could charge you $75 or more.

[RiskyBusiness]

Don't use friends and family. You have no recourse once the money is sent you can't get it back. Add the 3% to what $ you send and then you'll only have the problem of using Paypal for guns (a no-no by their rules). Dummy it up as an expensive guitar or something to get past their smell test. That way you can always say item didn't arrive and you'll get your money back. Postal money order has little recourse - you can file a complaint with the postmaster about being ripped off and they will investigate. They could arrest the guy that ripped you off but it won't get your $ back. Your FFL won't want to be the middleman - what does he get out of the risk? His FFL may handle the transaction - you give the FFL your CC#, he pays the seller and of course charges you some type of fee - this may also mean he has to put the gun in his bound book to show the transaction. Bottom line this gun better be $200 cheaper than anyother one on the market because you'll spend at least $150 on the transaction/shipping/tax/etc and $50 savings isn't even worth the hassle.
Contact all the FFLs close to you and find out
1 - if they will receive from a private party
2 - will they charge you tax on a occasional sale between private buyers
3 - how much their receiving fee is (DROS will be $25)

where did you come up with 150?
he's covering the shipping, there shouldnt be tax right? the transfer fee on my end isnt bad but like someone mentioned they could throw in a mandatory lock for 100, ill find out tomorrow but thank you this has been very helpful. Ill also ask about using a CC as payment and sort out all the angles. Also i'd say the handgun is about 300 less than retail not including tax.

[RiskyBusiness]

This is not a PPT, this is a dealer transfer/sale.
Roster applies.
1-every-30 applies.
Transfer fee is not limited to DROS+$10... your FFL could charge you $75 or more.

what have you been charged for in the past on top of the $10?

[Cokebottle]

where did you come up with 150?
he's covering the shipping, there shouldnt be tax right? the transfer fee on my end isnt bad but like someone mentioned they could throw in a mandatory lock for 100, ill find out tomorrow but thank you this has been very helpful. Ill also ask about using a CC as payment and sort out all the angles. Also i'd say the handgun is about 300 less than retail not including tax.

Your FFL will charge sales tax. The BOE has been clamping down and doesn't care if it's a used gun or new gun.

The lock is state and federal law... Federal law is that every handgun must be furnished with a lock. California law requires that the lock have been purchased within the last 30 days.
Stop at Walmart on your way to the FFL, buy a lock, show them the receipt, then on your way home, return the lock.
The FFL can not legally force you to purchase a lock from him if you have one that meets the law.

CC payment will be problematic. Buyer can not receive CC payment through Paypal unless he has a business account. The CC companies have been cracking down on "creative" ways that people pull cash out of their CCs while avoiding the interest... Paypal was one such method... Send your buddy a CC payment for $100, buddy puts it in his bank, and hands you $90.
There's really no way to use a CC to make a private purchase that doesn't majorly expose you to fraud.

[Cokebottle]

what have you been charged for in the past on top of the $10?

It's not "on top of the $10"
DROS is $25.
PPT transfer fee is limited by law to be no more than DROS+$10

Different FFLs have different transfer fees. Generally, minimum is DROS+$40. Turner's is (or was in 2010) DROS+$150
There is no law limiting the dealer transfer fee, some charge a lot because they don't want to be bothered with doing them.
OC Indoor used to be 10% of the purchase price with a minimum of $55.

[someoneeasy]

Which FFL are you planning to use? I think they'll charge you just like if you bought a gun online and depending on the FFL, it could be as low as $25+DROS or like others have said, $75+.

Do the math to see if it's worth buying a gun and having it shipped to your FFL. What starts out as a good deal, soon turns into a nightmare and the only one who benefits is the FFL who is "doing you a favor."

[RiskyBusiness]

Your FFL will charge sales tax. The BOE has been clamping down and doesn't care if it's a used gun or new gun.

The lock is state and federal law... Federal law is that every handgun must be furnished with a lock. California law requires that the lock have been purchased within the last 30 days.
Stop at Walmart on your way to the FFL, buy a lock, show them the receipt, then on your way home, return the lock.
The FFL can not legally force you to purchase a lock from him if you have one that meets the law.

CC payment will be problematic. Buyer can not receive CC payment through Paypal unless he has a business account. The CC companies have been cracking down on "creative" ways that people pull cash out of their CCs while avoiding the interest... Paypal was one such method... Send your buddy a CC payment for $100, buddy puts it in his bank, and hands you $90.
There's really no way to use a CC to make a private purchase that doesn't majorly expose you to fraud.

great suggestion with the lock, FFL doesnt have to force you to buy his lock but he can deny your transfer and business to you if he wishes because you bring up the "i brought my own" line correct?

what about payment through paypal and have it under an expensive guitar as someone shared in the earlier post?

[RiskyBusiness]

Which FFL are you planning to use? I think they'll charge you just like if you bought a gun online and depending on the FFL, it could be as low as $25+DROS or like others have said, $75+.

Do the math to see if it's worth buying a gun and having it shipped to your FFL. What starts out as a good deal, soon turns into a nightmare and the only one who benefits is the FFL who is "doing you a favor."

Aces Jewelry n Pawn in west covina, $25 + DROS.

[Cokebottle]

Aces Jewelry n Pawn in west covina, $25 + DROS.

They're good.

You'll still pay sales tax, but you aren't getting bent over on the transfer fee.

[RiskyBusiness]

They're good.

You'll still pay sales tax, but you aren't getting bent over on the transfer fee.

probably a silly question but couldn't the seller offer me a price of $1 for the gun to avoid tax for a 1k gun but really pay him his asking price off the books? or is this considered illegal?

[Abu Riyah]

Since this is an on-roster pistol and it is not a PPT, why not just buy from a dealer? You'll probably end up paying less and, even if it is the same, you avoid the headaches and risks of buying used from a distant seller. Even better, why not buy via PPT from someone local and avoid having to pay sales tax? You'll most likely get a pistol that is in like-new condition, perhaps broken in just enough, and cheaper than the other two options. Buying from someone far away rarely has any advantages over a local buy, regardless of whether it is new from a dealer or a PPT.

[RiskyBusiness]

Since this is an on-roster pistol and it is not a PPT, why not just buy from a dealer? You'll probably end up paying less and, even if it is the same, you avoid the headaches and risks of buying used from a distant seller. Even better, why not buy via PPT from someone local and avoid having to pay sales tax? You'll most likely get a pistol that is in like-new condition, perhaps broken in just enough, and cheaper than the other two options. Buying from someone far away rarely has any advantages over a local buy, regardless of whether it is new from a dealer or a PPT.

the guy lives near sacremento so i figured him shipping it wouldn't be a problem but i was under the impression there wouldnt be tax. But because its not a ppt and then there will be? thoughts on my suggestion of the $1 price tag for a $1100 gun to avoid tax? is this allowed?

i've been keeping a lookout for this handgun in so cal and mostly everyone wants 12-1300. Thought this was a nice deal but i gotta straighten out all the facts. thanking everyone for their input on this.

[Cokebottle]

the guy lives near sacremento so i figured him shipping it wouldn't be a problem but i was under the impression there wouldnt be tax. But because its not a ppt and then there will be? thoughts on my suggestion of the $1 price tag for a $1100 gun to avoid tax? is this allowed?

They'll treat it like the DMV does when you walk in to register with a bill of sale that is significantly below market.... they'll charge tax based on market value.

[Abu Riyah]

I don't think you'll find a dealer willing to mess with that $1 scam. If it's a pistol you really want and you just cannot find it anywhere local, then yes, that's an instance where I'd say go ahead and get it, as long as you're willing to pay for it. I had several rifles that I paid way too much for last year because I wanted/needed to get them before January 1, 2017...I don't regret having done so.

If you don't mind saying, what pistol is it that you are trying to buy?

[RiskyBusiness]

They'll treat it like the DMV does when you walk in to register with a bill of sale that is significantly below market.... they'll charge tax based on market value.

because of the obvious $1 value or no matter what its sold to me for they will want to use fair market value for tax? because it retails for 1700 on the manufacturers website, this will be a deal breaker for me.