.223 rem vs 45 auto

[CSACANNONEER]

Wait a minute. Were talking 25 yards or less. A .223 is going to over penetrate I would think. At 25 yards and less the .45 is just devastating.




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I'd agree but, give the choice between a rifle and a handgun, the rifle will alway be more acurate and it can hold more rounds too!

[rumble phish]

I'd agree but, give the choice between a rifle and a handgun, the rifle will alway be more acurate and it can hold more rounds too!

I'm really not trying to argue with you here, but in California neither can hold more than 10 rounds. And we're talking about 25 yards or less, not a battlefield situation. I'd picture it as an urban confrontation or self defense in your home or on your property. Who just walks around carrying their AR?

[CSACANNONEER]

I'm really not trying to argue with you here, but in California neither can hold more than 10 rounds. And we're talking about 25 yards or less, not a battlefield situation. I'd picture it as an urban confrontation or self defense in your home or on your property. Who just walks around carrying their AR?

First, here in California, I legally have rifles and pistols which can and do hold more than 10 rounds. Secondly, the OP asked about his two weapons and which would be prefered. If he had just asked about caliber preference for a 25 yard or less gunfight, I would have suggested a .45acp carbine. BTW, a few years ago, I lived on 400+ acres in the hills outside of Malibu and I routinely walked around with an AR, SKS, shotgun or some other longgun depending on what I was doing at the time. I think there are a lot of people who do the same thing and think nothing of it.

[Crusader]

I can't find the source, but I heard the military is questioning the effectiveness of .223/5.56 close range. Especially since they are prohibited from using hollow point. The round is so high powered it enters and exits with a small wound, with zero expansion. Thus many victims of a .223 dont die and are just injured.

I vote for a .45. My 1911 has 10+1 of Ranger SXT +p

But isn't the whole point of the 5.56 is that it tumbles and fragments when at high enough velocities? I can understand the lack of effectiveness when reaching the limits of its fragment range, but at close range wouldn't the bullet tumble and break apart?

[rg_1111@yahoo.com]

The .45 would do more damage. I would take the .223 because I can shoot a rifle better.

As far as bullet weight in would depend on what twist the barrel had.

[Surfdog]

Seem to me that the temporary wound channel created from the high velocity rifle bullet would do more damage than the 45, and also that the 223 round with good velocity should fragment causing more possible wound paths.

[para38super]

Maybe if I specify the weapons, it will make things easier.
Ruger Mini 14 (223 rem) 1:7 twist rate
Colt 1911 45 acp

[ohsmily]

What has more stopping power a .223 rem rifle or 45 auto pistol. I owned both and wonder which has more stoping power at 25 yard distance. Whch one would choose if you had to go to a gun fight, 25 yards max,
10 rounds max.

Maybe if I specify the weapons, it will make things easier.
Ruger Mini 14 (223 rem) 1:7 twist rate
Colt 1911 45 acp

Is this a joke? Unless you need to conceal it on your person....a rifle, always a HP rifle before a handgun.

[ohsmily]

I'm really not trying to argue with you here, but in California neither can hold more than 10 rounds.

You are woefully mistaken.

[Sam]

I'm really not trying to argue with you here, but in California neither can hold more than 10 rounds. And we're talking about 25 yards or less, not a battlefield situation. I'd picture it as an urban confrontation or self defense in your home or on your property. Who just walks around carrying their AR?

maybe not in the urban areas, there's still lots of land in California.

[joemama]

I say screw it and go with a .50 beowolf. bigger than a .45 and its a rifle.

[devildog999]

I don't care, I have them both

[para38super]

I don't care, I have them both

Sorry for wasting your time, but if you don't care don't answer the question.

[bobfried]

I'd take my .460S&W.

If the bullet doesn't travel back in time to take the perp down 3 weeks before they get to my house, the concussion and fireball will.

On a more serious note, a sidearm is called a sidearm for a reason. It stays on your side as a backup and as a last resort to a rifle. Any rifle with a decent round will outperform a handgun of any sort, if anything else in sheer hits and accuracy.

And a .223 is MUCH MUCH safer indoors than a .45 would be. Any good .223 round will break up in dry wall whilst a handgun round (even a 9mm) will penetrate much more and cause collateral damage. This was one of the biggest misconception that's out there about the .223 round, that it will penetrate more indoors. Anyone can notice the transition to AR's for most police forces now, because people started to do some actual testing instead of listening to some old guy that still shoots black powder revolvers.

[jben]

At 25 yards, I'd use the Mini-14. If for some miraculous reason they were still moving towards me, I would take the 1911 off my hip and end the confrontation. It would be a Kimber, not a Colt, but the end result would be the same.