.223 rem vs 45 auto

[para38super]

What has more stopping power a .223 rem rifle or 45 auto pistol. I owned both and wonder which has more stoping power at 25 yard distance. Whch one would choose if you had to go to a gun fight, 25 yards max,
10 rounds max.

[Jonathan Doe]

223 will go through a soft body armor, 45 won't. I will choose 223 with M4 style upper.

[AlexBreya]

if you're talking about energy wise, the .223 is more than twice as powerful. if you can hit someone at the 25 yards as easily with the .45 (and they don't have body armor) the .45 would likely do more damage because it would make a bigger wound channel. but i'd say a .223 is better because its more accurate and the recoil is easier to handle if you're shooting as fast as you can.

[rumble phish]

I disagree. The .45 ACP round was made specifically for stopping power. The .223 is a small round and would over penetrate. The .45 has less energy but more mass. It definitely wins the "knock down" power game.

JMHO.

[Synergy]

I can't find the source, but I heard the military is questioning the effectiveness of .223/5.56 close range. Especially since they are prohibited from using hollow point. The round is so high powered it enters and exits with a small wound, with zero expansion. Thus many victims of a .223 dont die and are just injured.

I vote for a .45. My 1911 has 10+1 of Ranger SXT +p

[OutlawDon]

I would choose the .223 for sure at 25 yards!

[GW]

The rifle. Always the rifle
Load hollow points if you want expansion
Control
Accuracy
Firepower
Of course I'm talking about a real AR not a fixed mag model

[Dr Rockso]

I can't find the source, but I heard the military is questioning the effectiveness of .223/5.56 close range. Especially since they are prohibited from using hollow point. The round is so high powered it enters and exits with a small wound, with zero expansion.

That's said to be more of a problem with the short (14.5") carbine barrels. There's supposedly more velocity and better terminal ballistics out of the longer barrels. If I had to choose which one to take to a gunfight, I would always choose a semi-automatic centerfire rifle over any pistol.

[CSACANNONEER]

Hell, I don't feel like doing the math right now. But, for any gunfight, I'd rather have a rifle than a handgun.

[para38super]

Lets make this more interesting. What brand and gr for caliber of choice.

[OutlawDon]

Lets make this more interesting. What brand and gr for caliber of choice.

Any heavier grained (69grains+) .223 hollowpoints for me

[kap]

Hell, I don't feel like doing the math right now. But, for any gunfight, I'd rather have a rifle than a handgun.

+1

If you know you have a fight bring a rifle. Sidearms are for when your primary weapon goes down.

[bohoki]

depends

if i was firing on aquaman i would use the 45 because the 223 breaks up in the first couple feet of water

but if you are firing on superman you need kryptonite filled hollowpoints with 223 cause a kryptonite core 45 would bounce off imediatly but the 223 would fragment and disperse the kryptonite powder everywhere

same with wonderwoman her wrists of steel and bracelets would ricochet the 45s right back at me but the 223 would disintegrate

[CSACANNONEER]

Lets make this more interesting. What brand and gr for caliber of choice.

the weight of the bullet will depend on the rifle in question. Also, the weight of the bullet is only one of many factors to consider when chosing a load. Bullet preformance will be affected by powder type and amount used, seating depth, amount of crimp etc. Oh, in case you haven't guessed by now, I prefer to use "CSA" brand handloads, taylor made for the weapon and task at hand.

[rumble phish]

Wait a minute. Were talking 25 yards or less. A .223 is going to over penetrate I would think. At 25 yards and less the .45 is just devastating.




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