.223 rem vs 45 auto

[M. Sage]

The rifle. Always the rifle
Load hollow points if you want expansion
Control
Accuracy
Firepower
Of course I'm talking about a real AR not a fixed mag model

+1. .45 isn't as good a stopper as some might think.

Go look up some gelatin tests. Rifles do more damage.

If you can find a bullet for .223 that can expand within the target at 25 yards without exiting(and there are quite a few that can do this). It will be a better choice than the 45 IMO.

Why would you want that!? You want an exit wound. Exit wounds are good. The exit is generally the larger wound. In a face-to-face shooting, I want the bullet to exit the back, since the spine is back there.

Give me 100% penetration 100% of the time, or give me a weapon and ammo that will deliver.

[56Chevy]

no no no .50 bmg would journey to the center of the earth.

That's right...probably crack it in half like an egg. We must ban .50 BMG.

[Sunwolf]

Heard that a .45 will stop an M1A1 in it`s tracks kinda like an IED.

[1lostinspace]

The .45 would do more damage. I would take the .223 because I can shoot a rifle better.

As far as bullet weight in would depend on what twist the barrel had.

WTF where are you getting this from????

Ok look 5.56 in FMJ needs high FPS in order to fragment about 2700 fps
but like everyone else has said a .223 in JHP at 75-77 will do more damage to a human then even 7.62 FMJ do to fragmentation and cavitation.
Now 7.62 in HP BT or SP would make a far better mess then 5.56

to answer your question get some 75gr TAP and some Winchester Ranger +P and call it a day, you can kill just fine with either one.

[domokun]

+1. .45 isn't as good a stopper as some might think.

Go look up some gelatin tests. Rifles do more damage.



Why would you want that!? You want an exit wound. Exit wounds are good. The exit is generally the larger wound. In a face-to-face shooting, I want the bullet to exit the back, since the spine is back there.

Give me 100% penetration 100% of the time, or give me a weapon and ammo that will deliver.

+1 on this. There's a reason why they designate the rifle as your PRIMARY weapon system. It's the one that is the most violent and will cause the most damage to your foes. Your handgun is typically designated as your secondary weapon system in that its purpose is to save your butt when your primary weapon system goes down. It's supposed to buy you some time so you can get into a relatively safe place to bring your primary weapon system aka rifle back online.

If you're going to have to shoot something and you're not going to be eating it, then you will WANT a big exit wound so the maximum damage can be inflicted on the target.

[J_Rock]

This thread just reminded me why I tend to stay in the riflemans forum...

I mean are you seriously comparing a rifle cartridge to a pistol cartridge!?

[Mstrty]

Just shoot him with this, incinerate him and call it a day.

What the hell it that...

Looks like a Chia EBR

[surfinguru]

+1 on this. There's a reason why they designate the rifle as your PRIMARY weapon system. It's the one that is the most violent and will cause the most damage to your foes. Your handgun is typically designated as your secondary weapon system in that its purpose is to save your butt when your primary weapon system goes down. It's supposed to buy you some time so you can get into a relatively safe place to bring your primary weapon system aka rifle back online.

If you're going to have to shoot something and you're not going to be eating it, then you will WANT a big exit wound so the maximum damage can be inflicted on the target.

To the OP, this man right here just gave you the answer. Why would you give up a cannon for a pop gun? (figurative of course but I think you get the idea)

[m98]

To the OP, this man right here just gave you the answer. Why would you give up a cannon for a pop gun? (figurative of course but I think you get the idea)

agreed...

Why would a kodiak hunter opt'd for a 450marlin instead of a berretta cx chambered in .45acp with all the hi caps he can carry?.......

Why would a person want to lower a jeep rubicon and stuff 22's into the wheelwells?