PPT refusals

[trigger945]

Probably selling to people who went to GW first and think they're getting a steal

Lol, probably.

[I Swan]

"Aegis" is reopened as Burbank Guns and Ammo... no clue how they are.
Also the shop on Glenoaks over in Glendale (can't think of their name right now but I think it's the old King's building)

edit: Trigger got it... American Gun Works.

I was aware of that but they have some weird hours and aren't open like on Sat. I have yet to go in there. From what I'm seeing in pictures I'm not missing much. I have 0 interest in shops that mainly or only sell new and on roster firearms and mall ninja type stuff.

I really don't like one of the people at American Gun Works and it has just been mostly the same tired old guns in there so I rarely bother to go there anymore.

There is also Addax and some other stores not too far away that may be a viable PPT option but I have no idea. I never go to them.

[WnP]

I was aware of that but they have some weird hours and aren't open like on Sat. I have yet to go in there. From what I'm seeing in pictures I'm not missing much. I have 0 interest in shops that mainly or only sell new and on roster firearms and mall ninja type stuff.



I really don't like one of the people at American Gun Works and it has just been mostly the same tired old guns in there so I rarely bother to go there anymore.



There is also Addax and some other stores not too far away that may be a viable PPT option but I have no idea. I never go to them.

I think the guy at Burbank Ammo and Guns is a practicing jew that's why he's not open on Saturday.


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[The Gleam]

I think the guy at Burbank Ammo and Guns is a practicing jew that's why he's not open on Saturday.

Nothing wrong with that; practice makes perfect!

But just what is he practicing?

[Maht_g]

Shalom

[Cokebottle]

Nothing wrong with that; practice makes perfect!

But just what is he practicing?

Maybe he doesn't think he's good enough at it?

[The Gleam]

Maybe he doesn't think he's good enough at it?

[Truck286]

In defense of gun shops many are still busy and make very little on PPTs.
I have went to a local gun shop to purchase LPKs and had a Line almost out the door... And it was a Sunday. Its a smaller shop and I like their customer help.
I waited to pay for my LPK for a little under an hour due to them doing PPTs that had appointments. I spoke with the workers there and they simply stated sorry for the wait but Sunday is when we do alot of PPTs by appointment because during the week we are swamped with incoming inventory and sales as they work off commision and hourly wage. I had no problem waiting as it was Sunday and i had nothing else to do. I also figured that there is no commision on a PPT so Sunday appointment make sense. Their PPT fee was 35.00 and apparently takes about 20 to 25 minutes each.
It was worth the wait and I learned some new found respect for the counter guy who appeared swamped with PPTs.

[Cokebottle]

Their PPT fee was 35.00 and apparently takes about 20 to 25 minutes each.

$35 is the legal maximum they can charge for a PPT.

As far as whether they like doing them or not, it doesn't matter, the terms of their FFL require that they perform PPTs. The only exception is if they do not sell handguns, they are not required to PPT handguns.

[I Swan]

I think the guy at Burbank Ammo and Guns is a practicing jew that's why he's not open on Saturday.


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That is what I was thinking was the reason why. I have yet to meet him yet though and they never emailed me as promised to tell me when shop was opening.

Aww how cute my secret admirer that one stars my threads is back again. Or maybe it is a PPT crybaby FFL.

Also in case anybody does not know forcing you to do a PPT appointment is also considered a refusal. Basically they are required to do them during posted business hours. I will be so glad not to deal with PPT anymore when I move.

[Cokebottle]

That is what I was thinking was the reason why. I have yet to meet him yet though and they never emailed me as promised to tell me when shop was opening.

They posted a number of teasers here prior to opening, but never did buy into Vendor status and probably ended up on the wrong side of BCD.

[trigger945]

Also in case anybody does not know forcing you to do a PPT appointment is also considered a refusal. Basically they are required to do them during posted business hours.

Doing PPT by appointment is legally considered a refusal? What if the appointment time is during posted business hours? They just simply want to queue their customers? Guns Direct did this in December 2016 (and I am not sure if they still practice it as I haven't visited since).

Or what if they only dedicate one employee to do PPT? As in, if that employee is already busy doing a PPT, other PPT's have to wait regardless of what the other employees are doing (or not doing anything at all)? Is that lawful then?

Basically, I am curious to know how far can these FFL's stretch the rules. I, too, am not happy with the PPT rules some FFL's implement and would like to support FFL's that do not have questionable practices. As such, I want to understand what is truly acceptable in the eyes of the law.

[The Gleam]

Doing PPT by appointment is legally considered a refusal? What if the appointment time is during posted business hours? They just simply want to queue their customers? Guns Direct did this in December 2016 (and I am not sure if they still practice it as I haven't visited since).

Or what if they only dedicate one employee to do PPT? As in, if that employee is already busy doing a PPT, other PPT's have to wait regardless of what the other employees are doing (or not doing anything at all)? Is that lawful then?

Basically, I am curious to know how far can these FFL's stretch the rules. I, too, am not happy with the PPT rules some FFL's implement and would like to support FFL's that do not have questionable practices. As such, I want to understand what is truly acceptable in the eyes of the law.

At one time, when Guns Direct first opened they were advising they would only do PPTs on certain days, by appointment, or limited number of hours during the day, etc. - or there were some other special requirements they were mandating as I vaguely recall. But they have since saw how those were not legal, apologized for not knowing, and removed such restrictions.

They're good to go now; I think all they ask now is that PPTs not come in less than an hour before close to start them due to the time-constraints involved. That may not be "legal" either but seems fair to me. Many PPTs can take longer because 1 out of 2 often don't have their paperwork, FSC, or details in order and a store should not have to stay open past closing time to process a PPT because once started, it's more of a hassle to cancel and that would be worse customer service.

Regardless, any dealer that can't see sales-opportunity in doing PPTs is a fool. You have TWO potential buyers in the store; 1 that just got a lot of cash in his hands and ready to spend it (on a NEW gun maybe?) and the other that will need ammo or gear for his new gun and is a GUARANTEED customer for a second visit to your store 10 days later to pick up the gun. If you can't sell him ammo or accessories for it at that time, you suck as a salesman.

Never (and I really mean never) have I done a PPT as either a buyer or seller where I did not also buy something at that dealer where I did the PPT, whether it was Ammo, supplies, - and often 1 out of 3 times I bought a gun from them with my new found cash.

[trigger945]

At one time, when Guns Direct first opened they were advising they would only do PPTs on certain days, by appointment, or limited number of hours during the day, etc. - or there were some other special requirements they were mandating as I vaguely recall. But they have since saw how those were not legal, apologized for not knowing, and removed such restrictions.

They're good to go now; I think all they ask now is that PPTs not come in less than an hour before close to start them due to the time-constraints involved. That may not be "legal" either but seems fair to me. Many PPTs can take longer because 1 out of 2 often don't have their paperwork, FSC, or details in order and a store should not have to stay open past closing time to process a PPT because once started, it's more of a hassle to cancel and that would be worse customer service.

Regardless, any dealer that can't see sales-opportunity in doing PPTs is a fool. You have TWO potential buyers in the store; 1 that just got a lot of cash in his hands and ready to spend it (on a NEW gun maybe?) and the other that will need ammo or gear for his new gun and is a GUARANTEED customer for a second visit to your store 10 days later to pick up the gun. If you can't sell him ammo or accessories for it at that time, you suck as a salesman.

Never (and I really mean never) have I done a PPT as either a buyer or seller where I did not also buy something at that dealer where I did the PPT, whether it was Ammo, supplies, - and often 1 out of 3 times I bought a gun from them with my new found cash.

Guns Direct instituted a new policy in December making PPT's by appointment only. I am sure of this. I just do not know if they kept the policy or not after the rush.

I have bought many guns through PPT and on more than one instance, the seller used the cash proceeds (and some) to buy a gun (or guns) from Guns Direct. And on more than one instance, I have added a gun to the PPT to save on DROS fee.

However, I do not intend to visit Guns Direct anymore (for a different reason) except when I fulfill my commitment of buying a gun that I ordered about 2 years ago. Once that is done, it is likely that I am done with them...

[The Gleam]

Guns Direct instituted a new policy in December making PPT's by appointment only. I am sure of this. I just do not know if they kept the policy or not after the rush.

Weird; they might have done it in December due to the BB-items rush and I know they were limited by storage. Other stores were doing this or flat-out not doing PPTs on BB-items as quantities started clogging up their safes. That such stores were also turning down out-of-state transfers where they charge up to $100 to do the same, for the same reasons they were declining PPTs, gave credibility to their pleas.

I know THEY know the appointment thing is not legal, so hopefully that was merely due to the issues at the time. Regardless, they are not my go-to for PPTs - only ever did one with them as a buyer - but I have bought a few new guns there.

Service-wise, they have always been great. Good folk and always a pleasant experience. But like any gun store, results may vary. Some are worse than others.