PPT refusals

[tanakasan]

I have been seeing a lot of threads about illegal overcharging on PPT fees but not as many on refusals. However in my travels I have been seeing a fair amount of that as well. I'm curious to what you all have been seeing or have been told.

This was common last month during the rush and panic to buy AR's and such but is still going on. Some stores even have the nerve to put up signs with illegal policies. Two come to mind recently.

Gun World in Burbank has a sign on door that says no PPT on weekends because they are too busy. The Gun Range in Lancaster had an unusual sign stating no PPT during gun show weekends.

Go to Guns Direct on the same street. Great crew, no BS.

Robert

[I Swan]

Go to Guns Direct on the same street. Great crew, no BS.

Robert

Weren't they playing lock and PPT games at one time? I feel bad to do a PPT there too because they do not sell used or consignment guns so I never go in there and there is little to nothing I'd want to buy from them.

Many of the FFL's I do PPT with either me or my buyer or seller or both of us have done a lot of business with them besides PPT. So I feel better about doing them there.

My last PPT of 2016 at Ammo Bros resulted in me spending $600 on ammo and my seller and his friend spending over $2000. They live 35-40 miles away from any Ammo Bros location too.

[tanakasan]

The PPT I did there was flawless. Mike and Liz were awesome.

It was for a cool rifle I purchased from a really great CGN'r (thanks Christopher!) we chose Guns Direct for it's convenient location. No issues at all. Nothing but smiles, great gun related conversation and speedy prompt transaction. Went back after the wait and more of the same.

Great shop, I wish I could have purchased the Glock 43 from them, but…

Robert

[I Swan]

I feel bad for some FFL's that get known for doing efficient painless attitude free PPT's. They basically get swamped with them because of the problem FFL's refusing them or making them difficult or charging illegal fees.

Alamo has that problem it seems as does Ammo Bros. I only did maybe one at Alamo last year though. I suppose I can do some more. I've only ever done 3 there and bought one gun from their stock and some odds and ends.

[trigger945]

I Swan: Maybe you have forgotten, but Guns Direct has been good with PPT's. You seem to still get stuck with the idea that they play PPT games. We had a similar thread before and you made a similar comment about Guns Direct and it has been put to rest by some members.

[trigger945]

On the other hand, Gun World started that BS policy last December and if they have not removed that policy, then that is just utter BS.

[Never Convicted]

"I just vote with my wallet. If others choose to do so that is their choice."

best advice so far

[I Swan]

I Swan: Maybe you have forgotten, but Guns Direct has been good with PPT's. You seem to still get stuck with the idea that they play PPT games. We had a similar thread before and you made a similar comment about Guns Direct and it has been put to rest by some members.

So you are saying they never caused problems? I feel too lazy to look for the threads but they're there. Hopefully it stays the way you are saying if I need to do a PPT there. I don't know who to use over there anymore since Aegis closed.

[trigger945]

I Swan: No, not saying that at all. I guess to clarify, Guns Direct has been good with PPT's now. The PPT "games" that you were referring to - no weekend PPT, etc. - are no longer in practice. They also now carry a small selection of used guns (pre-lock Smiths, etc.) but their prices on those are bit rich for my blood. But they sell them so maybe it's my pricing that is just a bit off.

I haven't been there in a bit as two key employees pissed me off (different reason), but I want to be fair. Members who are reading this ought to get the correct message about FFL's. If we are listing down FFL's who currently refuse PPT's and/or play those games, Guns Direct should be excluded.

[I Swan]

OK, maybe I'll stop in there. I think they used to play a lock game as well like Gun World is known for. I kind of remember a worker or owner of Guns Direct even coming on CGN to whine about PPT. It is good they saw the error of their ways.

Has anyone attempted to do a PPT at the Angeles range gun shop yet? Or at Gun Gallery? I have a feeling a Gun Gallery or Gun Kings or whatever they call themselves now PPT would likely be painful.

[Nachoman]

For the ones that refuse, it's shortsighted on their part. They have a chance to attract more customers into their stores, encouraging more spending.

With Trump in office, there should be a lot less gun panics and sales. In this lull, I encourage you all to still vote with your $$'s.

[I Swan]

For the ones that refuse, it's shortsighted on their part. They have a chance to attract more customers into their stores, encouraging more spending.

With Trump in office, there should be a lot less gun panics and sales. In this lull, I encourage you all to still vote with your $$'s.

The more crybaby FFL's have a list of excuses that say you are incorrect some have some truth to them but most don't. One was even keeping track of what PPT customers bought and their distance from the store to prove his point.

Yes I buy guns consistently throughout the year and regardless of the political climate. And I have a long memory regarding gouging, PPT games, attitude and other factors. In fact I'm buying a gun today.

One that has been sitting in the shop for like 4-5 months. Gun shops mainly look like ghost towns right now.

I wish I had a business where customers were forced to visit my shop and that one of the customers almost surely has a pocketful of cash to make impulse purchases with. The hardest thing with customers and the main reason advertising dollars are spent is to get someone in your doors.

[trigger945]

For PPT in the Burbank/Glendale area, American Gun Works is fine. They are a bit on the chatty side (i.e., they will talk to you about guns and regs and stuff more than you may care about) but no issues with them as far as the actual transaction. Now if you want to chat, then that is the place and make sure to look for Pete

Gun Gallery in Glendale did not resonate with me when I went there. I did not feel welcome but that could have been a fluke or just entirely my perception that could be false. I don't intend to step foot in there though...

[Cokebottle]

So you are saying they never caused problems? I feel too lazy to look for the threads but they're there. Hopefully it stays the way you are saying if I need to do a PPT there. I don't know who to use over there anymore since Aegis closed.

"Aegis" is reopened as Burbank Guns and Ammo... no clue how they are.
Also the shop on Glenoaks over in Glendale (can't think of their name right now but I think it's the old King's building)

edit: Trigger got it... American Gun Works.

[Cokebottle]

I Swan: No, not saying that at all. I guess to clarify, Guns Direct has been good with PPT's now. The PPT "games" that you were referring to - no weekend PPT, etc. - are no longer in practice. They also now carry a small selection of used guns (pre-lock Smiths, etc.) but their prices on those are bit rich for my blood. But they sell them so maybe it's my pricing that is just a bit off.

Probably selling to people who went to GW first and think they're getting a steal