How would they know?

[omega]

must carry AW registraion papers

Yea but my question is how would they enforce it? How would they know? Are people who register going to carry a special permit??? Like im not saying im going to do it just trying to make sense of this cloudy mess. Jesus christ i know if you get caught you would get the bent over and get the shaft what am asking is if anything has been said about how they will determine who owns AW and who doesnt. I highly doubt they will be running backround checks on everyperson they see with an AR so how will LEO enforce these new laws? Doesnt seem possible possible to determine whos registered and whos not unless they get a permit to carry around because if they dont then anybody can just take off a BB which to me seems to contradict these retarted laws

YES, you would have to show proof of registration and carry papers to prove it, the same as carrying proof of insurance for your car

your information will be in the data base, and the officer can check to see if your papers are in order, if there is any problem the least they will do is take your rifle for safe keeping.

[BigBamBoo]

From my understanding...via the informative folks here on CalGuns....that the new registration is done via e-filing.

So I don't think you will be carrying around paperwork. I would guess there is/will be a database that LEO's can access to see if said rifle is registered or not.

To me the big question will be if the database is up to date and accurate. We have read that the one of the reasons we do not have a "instant check" background system when buying a new gun is that the state's computer system is not up to speed.

We will see how it goes shortly.

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[Instajc556]

From my understanding...via the informative folks here on CalGuns....that the new registration is done via e-filing.

So I don't think you will be carrying around paperwork. I would guess there is/will be a database that LEO's can access to see if said rifle is registered or not.

To me the big question will be if the database is up to date and accurate. We have read that the one of the reasons we do not have a "instant check" background system when buying a new gun is that the state's computer system is not up to speed.

We will see how it goes shortly.

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Doubt that they will create such a system for LEO
God california so ****en gay

[ChuckDizzle]

It's not that they'd know when they see it, it's if anything happens; now you'd also tag on "(...) with an illegal assault weapon". It's the same reason why people don't already walk around with detachable standard capacity magazines and SBR's.

This right here. Some members have expressed not registering out of civil disobedience. Likely that most of them will never have a problem. But if the police ever have a cause to investigate your weapons it is going to be added on. Even if you are a victim of theft of the unregistered rifle in question.

[elSquid]

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/awguide.pdf

CONFIRMATION OF REGISTRATION (Law Enforcement Agencies Only)
A law enforcement agency may verify an assault weapon registration by consulting the Automated Firearms System (AFS), which is accessible through the California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System (CLETS). Each AFS assault weapon record includes the date of registration, information identifying the regis- trant, and information identifying the weapon. Please note that the assault weapon registrant is not required to be in possession of his or her registration documentation.

-- Michael

[stix213]

When you register, you're gun is in a database. When you encounter a LEO and he checks said database, discovering your gun ain't in it, that's how he will know. Its extremely straight forward. When checking the database your gun is either in there (legal) or not (illegal).

Expect starting 2018 for there to be lots of checks.

[Johnny Lightning]

Actually, I was shooting in an isolated area with a friend who has a registered AR-15 with grandfathered mags. The L.A. County Sheriffs Pulled up on 3 wheelers to check on us. They asked my friend if the gun was registered and he said yes, the paperwork was rolled up in the stock compartment. He asked if they wanted to see it and they said no, they never even touched the gun. All in all it was a very friendly encounter. We asked them if they wanted to shoot with us and they laughed and said they wished they could. Then my very same friend was working at a public range. LAPD came by in street clothes, dressed like Gomers in flannel shirts and caps that said "Red Man Chewing Tobacco", and "Cat Diesel Power". They told staff they were there and not to say anything to anybody. They wandered around behind the firing line watching and waiting while trying to sneak peeks into range bags. So anything is possible.

[God Bless America]

There weren't a lot of checks in 2001, there won't be this time either.

If you are not otherwise attracting LEO attention, they will move on to somebody who is.

AW enforcement happens on the back end. After the guns are taken for some other reason. Could be bank robbery, could be no license or registration, could be DV.

[B Gardner]

I have a registered assault rifle. I requested and got a confirmation letter from the California DOJ stating it was a legal registered assault weapon that I keep a copy of in the butt storage compartment. I do this so that I can show proof of registration to any LEO no matter where I am incase they can't access their data base.

[ar15barrels]

Just a random thought since we dont know exactly what next year holds i just want to know what you guys think. So everyone is talking about registering your AR/AK's for the purpose of having a normal mag release, and others are saying f*ck registration just go featureless. So ive been thinking about how they would exactly know if i dont register it and i leave the "evil" features on it and have a regulaf mag release? I know if anything ever happened and they looked into the gun i would be f*cked but say im at the range and a cop sees my gun i can just say its registered and he would have no way of knowing right? Or you guys think this is still in the gray area and have to wait till the laws take effect?

If they care enough to check, they can run the gun through AFS via the terminal in their cruiser.
Short of that, they won't know.

[Blade Gunner]

Just a random thought since we dont know exactly what next year holds i just want to know what you guys think. So everyone is talking about registering your AR/AK's for the purpose of having a normal mag release, and others are saying f*ck registration just go featureless. So ive been thinking about how they would exactly know if i dont register it and i leave the "evil" features on it and have a regulaf mag release? I know if anything ever happened and they looked into the gun i would be f*cked but say im at the range and a cop sees my gun i can just say its registered and he would have no way of knowing right? Or you guys think this is still in the gray area and have to wait till the laws take effect?

If you purchased it 2014 or later, its in the DOJ data base. How will they know. They could run the new RAW data base against the 2014 and later DROS'es. They'll send you a letter asking you why you didn't register (i.e. sell or go featureless). You'll sign this under penalty of perjury. An add on felony if you are untruthful. Don't sign the letter and they will refer it to the DA.
Your range example, all the cop has to do is logon or call into to a data base and it will tell him what is registered to you. Getting randomly caught at a range is a lie probability however. The cop is off duty, buddies with the range owner, and doesn't want to destroy his business.
The way you will get caught is some random contact will LE, most likely a traffic stop. He'll run your license and all the gun info will pop up. If some local LE chief or DA wants to make a name for themselves, searching your car will become standard operating procedure (and they will manufacture probable cause. The other biggie will be domestic violence calls. Someone always spends the night in jail, even if you're not prosecuted. If you have registered firearms, they will take them and you'll have to petition the court to get them back. Meanwhile they run all your seized firearms through the data base. If you have an unregistered AW, it's felony time. Your one night in jail turns until longer stay until a judge sets bail. If it's just one AW the DA may cut a deal, a fine, no jail time, loose all your guns, and you're a prohibited person for life. If it's multiple counts, your going to stand trial and the DA is going to make an example out of you. Lastly this gets stupid expensive real fast.

[Instajc556]

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...ms/awguide.pdf

CONFIRMATION OF REGISTRATION (Law Enforcement Agencies Only)
A law enforcement agency may verify an assault weapon registration by consulting the Automated Firearms System (AFS), which is accessible through the California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System (CLETS). Each AFS assault weapon record includes the date of registration, information identifying the regis- trant, and information identifying the weapon. Please note that the assault weapon registrant is not required to be in possession of his or her registration documentation.

-- Michael

Ive heard from LEO that they have no way of checking registration on firearms, that they have to contact doj and its not a speedy process which idk how belivable that is but makes sense since it did take a while for them to determine who the ar15s used in san bernadino shooting belonged to

[ar15barrels]

YES, you would have to show proof of registration and carry papers to prove it

False.
There is no requirement to carry proof.
They can check themselves via the terminal in the cruiser or by radioing it in.

[Ki6vsm]

Are people who register going to carry a special permit???

There is nothing in my registration papers (Roberti-Roos) that says I must carry proof of registration with me, or more accurately, with my weapon --- the only existing "Proof" being a copy of the registration papers themselves. (This goes back to pre-Web days.)

But do I carry a copy of it in my shooting bag anyway? You better believe I do. While there is no need to carry receipts with you for your gun(s), since as far as law enforcement is concerned at traffic stops etc, possession presumes ownership, I really don't think possession of an AW will ever carry a presumption of legal registration. I just don't see that happening.

If it'll be an online registration process as I've heard, then there will be some kind of confirmation form or PDF or something it'll produce. And you'll save it to your device and, presumably be able to print copies of it. I would do that and carry the papers in a zip-lock bag in a pocket of my rifle case. Maybe make another copy to keep in the safe.

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[Ki6vsm]

If they care enough to check, they can run the gun through AFS via the terminal in their cruiser.
Short of that, they won't know.

False.
There is no requirement to carry proof.
They can check themselves via the terminal in the cruiser or by radioing it in.

I'm sure you are right. I would just rather allow for the process to be streamlined, by carrying the papers.

BTW, I also carry a printout of the BLM's web page that explains it's legal to use an AW on public lands. Even if that's not a legal document, it might come in handy some day. Just in case a ranger or police officer isn't as versed on laws as they should be.