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  • #31
    ChuckDizzle
    Banned
    • Dec 2013
    • 4398

    Originally posted by Blade Gunner
    If you purchased it 2014 or later, its in the DOJ data base. How will they know. They could run the new RAW data base against the 2014 and later DROS'es. They'll send you a letter asking you why you didn't register (i.e. sell or go featureless). You'll sign this under penalty of perjury. An add on felony if you are untruthful. Don't sign the letter and they will refer it to the DA.
    Your range example, all the cop has to do is logon or call into to a data base and it will tell him what is registered to you. Getting randomly caught at a range is a lie probability however. The cop is off duty, buddies with the range owner, and doesn't want to destroy his business.
    The way you will get caught is some random contact will LE, most likely a traffic stop. He'll run your license and all the gun info will pop up. If some local LE chief or DA wants to make a name for themselves, searching your car will become standard operating procedure (and they will manufacture probable cause. The other biggie will be domestic violence calls. Someone always spends the night in jail, even if you're not prosecuted. If you have registered firearms, they will take them and you'll have to petition the court to get them back. Meanwhile they run all your seized firearms through the data base. If you have an unregistered AW, it's felony time. Your one night in jail turns until longer stay until a judge sets bail. If it's just one AW the DA may cut a deal, a fine, no jail time, loose all your guns, and you're a prohibited person for life. If it's multiple counts, your going to stand trial and the DA is going to make an example out of you. Lastly this gets stupid expensive real fast.
    Wow, just wow, what is it like living in the fantasy world of FUD?

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    • #32
      eman_308
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 973

      I have a RAW AR-10 and I keep the letter from cadoj with it at all times and a copy in my safe.
      -the frontline is everywhere...

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      • #33
        Instajc556
        Member
        • Sep 2016
        • 435

        Originally posted by eman_308
        I have a RAW AR-10 and I keep the letter from cadoj with it at all times and a copy in my safe.
        Is BB required on it?

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        • #34
          jrpowell3
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2013
          • 1066

          Originally posted by Instajc556
          Is BB required on it?
          If it's a RAW, I'd assume no.

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          • #35
            Ki6vsm
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2013
            • 2354

            Originally posted by Instajc556
            Is BB required on it?
            Originally posted by jrpowell3
            If it's a RAW, I'd assume no.
            If it's registered, it was registered years before BBs was invented. And yep, there's no need to retrofit a BB on a RAW.

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            • #36
              onelonehorseman
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 4888

              Originally posted by omega
              YES, you would have to show proof of registration and carry papers to prove it, the same as carrying proof of insurance for your car
              Last edited by onelonehorseman; 01-25-2018, 5:25 AM.
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              • #37
                Pofoo
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2009
                • 1681

                There are so many ways to get caught.
                #1 would be the first time your wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, neighbor, etc. got mad at you, they would inform the local gestopo, and then the games would commence.
                Years ago, a friends brother in law was talking to the guy next to him at traffic court and mentioned that my friend had "something". Turns out the guy was a off duty policeman. A few days later, a multi agency task force was knocking on my friends door. He had a choice of surrendering the weapon with no charges, or they would get a search warrant and charge him to the max.
                As they left, they mentioned that he could thank his bil with the big mouth.
                I doubt that you would have the choice my friend had.

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                • #38
                  UP2MTNS
                  Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 266

                  Lets ask the question from this point of view...how have they been enforcing the current laws/restrictions?

                  How many people have been arrested/charged for using hi cap magazines since the mag ban?

                  How many people have been arrested/charged for their gun having 'evil' features or for being in an a non-CA compliant configuration?

                  I don't know...it'd be interesting to find out and see how/why those people were arrested, the situation, what else was a factor, and the outcome.

                  The (probable) reality is the new laws will be enforced the same, but with greater consequences since we're now talking about RAWs.

                  Although....if you're caught w/o a bullet button today, that's still possession of a non-registered AW....so....?

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                  • #39
                    UP2MTNS
                    Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 266

                    Originally posted by Johnny Lightning
                    Then my very same friend was working at a public range. LAPD came by in street clothes, dressed like Gomers in flannel shirts and caps that said "Red Man Chewing Tobacco", and "Cat Diesel Power". They told staff they were there and not to say anything to anybody. They wandered around behind the firing line watching and waiting while trying to sneak peeks into range bags. So anything is possible.
                    So, this is interesting....what constitutes 'probable cause' at a firing range?

                    If you have a RAW (no bullet button) and a cop or whatever were to see you drop the mag from the well with your finger, does that mean they get to stop you and ask for proof of registration? Or automatically get to take the gun from you to inspect for a serial number to then check in their vehicle (while you are 'detained' while they check)?

                    With a traffic stop, you run the red light...the cops sees you broke the law. At a range, you could see something that 'looks' illegal, but doesn't mean it is....

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                    • #40
                      Ki6vsm
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 2354

                      Originally posted by UP2MTNS
                      Lets ask the question from this point of view...how have they been enforcing the current laws/restrictions?

                      How many people have been arrested/charged for using hi cap magazines since the mag ban?

                      How many people have been arrested/charged for their gun having 'evil' features or for being in an a non-CA compliant configuration?


                      I don't know...it'd be interesting to find out and see how/why those people were arrested, the situation, what else was a factor, and the outcome.

                      The (probable) reality is the new laws will be enforced the same, but with greater consequences since we're now talking about RAWs.

                      Although....if you're caught w/o a bullet button today, that's still possession of a non-registered AW....so....?
                      I'm not sure of your meaning. Do you mean WRONGFULLY arrested because their weapons were registered but they had some difficulty providing proof? Or the cops didn't want to listen to their explanation?

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                      • #41
                        MarikinaMan
                        Veteran Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 4864

                        they dont care if you register or not.

                        they will throw the book at you, fine you to kingdom come, confiscate the rifle, if you ever get in a situation where a LEO finds you in possession.

                        that to me is the modus operandi. the intent of the law is not crime prevention, but choking off gun ownership, death by a thousand cuts.

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                        • #42
                          ar15barrels
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57128

                          Originally posted by UP2MTNS
                          So, this is interesting....what constitutes 'probable cause' at a firing range?

                          If you have a RAW (no bullet button) and a cop or whatever were to see you drop the mag from the well with your finger, does that mean they get to stop you and ask for proof of registration?
                          There is no requirement to retain "proof" of registration on your person or with the firearm.

                          The officer can make contact with you and ASK you if it's registered as an assault weapon.
                          If you were to answer no, that would definitely give him probably cause to run the serial number himself.

                          Most reports from people with RAW's who had contact with law enforcement and law enforcement asked if it was registered and the owner answered affirmatively did not even result in law enforcement running the numbers.
                          The reality is that if you are not doing anything to draw law enforcement attention, you would probably not ever even be checked.

                          Even still, having a printed copy of your registration letter makes most people feel even safer.
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                          • #43
                            Junkie
                            Veteran Member
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 4848

                            Originally posted by Blade Gunner
                            If you purchased it 2014 or later, its in the DOJ data base. How will they know. They could run the new RAW data base against the 2014 and later DROS'es. They'll send you a letter asking you why you didn't register (i.e. sell or go featureless). You'll sign this under penalty of perjury. An add on felony if you are untruthful. Don't sign the letter and they will refer it to the DA.
                            Your range example, all the cop has to do is logon or call into to a data base and it will tell him what is registered to you. Getting randomly caught at a range is a lie probability however. The cop is off duty, buddies with the range owner, and doesn't want to destroy his business.
                            The way you will get caught is some random contact will LE, most likely a traffic stop. He'll run your license and all the gun info will pop up. If some local LE chief or DA wants to make a name for themselves, searching your car will become standard operating procedure (and they will manufacture probable cause. The other biggie will be domestic violence calls. Someone always spends the night in jail, even if you're not prosecuted. If you have registered firearms, they will take them and you'll have to petition the court to get them back. Meanwhile they run all your seized firearms through the data base. If you have an unregistered AW, it's felony time. Your one night in jail turns until longer stay until a judge sets bail. If it's just one AW the DA may cut a deal, a fine, no jail time, loose all your guns, and you're a prohibited person for life. If it's multiple counts, your going to stand trial and the DA is going to make an example out of you. Lastly this gets stupid expensive real fast.
                            They can't force you to tell them what you did with it, 5A and all. The fact that you have (or had) it and won't tell them that you made it legal isn't PC.
                            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                            A real live woman is more expensive than a fleshlight. Which would you rather have?

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                            • #44
                              reverser
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 710

                              Originally posted by Instajc556
                              say im at the range and a cop sees my gun i can just say its registered and he would have no way of knowing right?
                              So you think lying to a police officer is your best move there? IF you're caught with an unregistered AW, you're instantly a felon. If you don't know what being a felon entails, I suggest you research it a bit. Be prepared to face the consequences. There will come a day when it might be worth it (confiscation), but I don't think that now is that time.
                              Originally posted by sfarchitect
                              The days of scared old white people, terrified that life and the world has passed them by running America is coming to a close.

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                              • #45
                                Blade Gunner
                                Veteran Member
                                • Mar 2013
                                • 4422

                                Originally posted by Ki6vsm
                                I'm not sure of your meaning. Do you mean WRONGFULLY arrested because their weapons were registered but they had some difficulty providing proof? Or the cops didn't want to listen to their explanation?
                                The cops do not have to listen to your explanation. They may just take the firearm and let the DA decide to press charges or not. Either way you have to petition to get your firearm back provided it's legal and you'll want the contact with law enforcement expunged from your rap sheet.(Calguns foundation already had to do this for a citizen over a shotgun unloaded in a case taken at a traffic stop) See how well your second and forth amendment rights are protected under the new world order.

                                Most firearms violations by law abiding citizens are by happenstance.
                                Last edited by Blade Gunner; 10-19-2016, 11:48 AM.
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