Cops have bombs?

[roostersgt]

Hopefully in the next few weeks we will learn more about this incident and if a conspiracy/others/radicalization etc. are involved.

While I do not know how the DPD decision was made, I will bet you the Incident Commander, the SWAT commander, the Psychologist and Negotiator were all involved in the decision.

I speculate the shooter indicated he had IEDs planted and possibly a suicide vest on his person. That and the break down in the negotiations to surrender, led the team to made the decision to deploy a bomb on the robot. Any other scenario would lead to other officers being placed in grave bodily harm or death.

In my thinking, he had plenty of time to rig some sort of IED/vest and said he had IEDs. So how close do you want to get to someone wearing a suicide vest?

This, and the limited resources they had on hand that night. Suspect supposedly stated numerous times that there were many IED's planted and the officers believed him to be one of at least two suspects armed with a rifle. The immediate threat he posed had to be neutralized immediately, based upon his statements, actions and limited police manpower. Too bad, so sad.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

No one who has posted to this thread has any idea exactly what was used to end that standoff. Pipe bomb, C4, Claymores... nothing more than wild arse guesses by people and their imaginations.

Thank goodness the internet exists so people can play SWAT couch commander and make detached clueless judgements without any personal risk or responsibility whatsoever.

[Frank1911]

If you are implying I am not a real man, that is your opinion. But if a police department against one active shooter is the measure of a real man, then I am legendary son.

Lol....... Legendary in your own mind.

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[farmerjoe]

I haven't seen anyone really address the issue of the murderers "There are IED's all over the place" statement, and the pressure that those statements put on folks on the scene to secure the scene so the EOD folks could search the area for explosives. Not knowing the layout of where they had him cornered, I could see that as an issue. All I can say it, I don't envy them for being in the position they were in. The entire episode was one big **** sandwich and they all had to take a bite.

[Latebraker]

No one who has posted to this thread has any idea exactly what was used to end that standoff. Pipe bomb, C4, Claymores... nothing more than wild arse guesses by people and their imaginations.

Thank goodness the internet exists so people can play SWAT couch commander and make detached clueless judgements without any personal risk or responsibility whatsoever.

Actually, you may be the one that is clueless.
You don't know me or what facts I may or may not know.

I gave an educated hypothesis, not a guess as you describe.

[elSquid]

No one who has posted to this thread has any idea exactly what was used to end that standoff. Pipe bomb, C4, Claymores... nothing more than wild arse guesses by people and their imaginations.

I'm quite certain that they used a thermal detonator.



-- Michael

[CinnamonBear723]

If you are implying I am not a real man, that is your opinion. But if a police department against one active shooter is the measure of a real man, then I am legendary son.

A "fair" fight is a stupid fight. We don't fight "fair," we win. If it takes a bomb/explosive then it takes a bomb/explosive. If you're set on being the most ultra manly man who has seen and done it all, then no amount of facts or reason will convince you otherwise. I wish you luck in carrying out the rest of your angry and irrational life.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I commend the DPD for their quick thinking and use of something the perp would never suspect.
They aren't saying exactly what was used but it is likely C4 was only the propellant. A claymore type mine could have easily been fastened to a robot making the kill zone much larger than using composition C4 only. It also gives the operator greater control of the area to be cleared.

Ordinance disposal robots cost around $200k. The claymore mine about a $100.
They may have been able to salvage the robot if in fact a claymore was used.

Actually, you may be the one that is clueless.
You don't know me or what facts I may or may not know.

I gave an educated hypothesis, not a guess as you describe.

I have no issue with your posting above or hypothesis. Especially since it does not appear to be critical toward the tactics or tools they used to end the threat. Benign speculation about what may have been used is fine.

My post was directed more toward the couchborne handwringing over the use of unconventional tactics to end that rampage quickly before anyone else was hurt / killed.

In most cases where LE forces a conclusion to a violent standoff, there is a predictable chorus of armchair tacticians crying foul: "Time was on their side...why didn't they just wait him out??" There are reports that state this shooter claimed to have explosives. Perhaps the use of unconventional means to resolve this matter was deemed the best choice for public safety before he had a chance to detonate something he was carrying, or perhaps a remote explosive. Perhaps he might have coordinated with other shooters lurking in the area.

After the fact, we know there was one gunman. The "boots on the ground" dealing with the problem in real time had no such information and could not have known the entire scope or size of the problem. If police tactics had somehow resulted in collateral injuries or deaths to innocent bystanders, then one could argue the case against their tactics. But it did not, and in this case the end justified the means.

[ARDude]

Many responses on this thread are so nearsighted that it's painful...

...I live in Dallas, military/police runs in my blood...

Term it any way you want, but cops using c4 to neutralize a suspect is downright disturbing.

I don't give a rip the circumstance, yes this sniper just killed and wounded many cops - fellow brothers, but that in no way give the responders the authority to be the investigator, prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner at will.. regardless of how apparent or blatant the evidence is.

To me the "no other option" is complete bullsh*t. They could have let that crazy a**h**** starve/dehydrate - that would have been fine. But instead they chose to impose their own will to end his life - That is wrong.

For those who say "good riddance", do you understand what excessive force is? What now separates cops from the military except the fact that cops primarily deal with US citizens while military deals with foreign enemies. Do you really want to blur those lines?

Does anyone understand due process? Does anybody understand the rights of a citizen of the United States?

Katrina happened under Bush, imagine if it happens under Hillary, in a blue state. How would you feel about martial law - cops with c4 - flushing your family out of your home.

What's the difference between a robot and drone?

F***ing slippery slope boys... I wouldn't give up our freedoms so easily. This new precedence is very disturbing, regardless of right/wrong.




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You sound an awful lot like the OP.

[phase1]

Honestly this seems all planned, now police are going to be wearing plate carriers, Ar-15s, & in armored cop cars

[Vael]

You sound an awful lot like the OP.

I think he has a point.

Have the site admin verify my IP address if you want, I'm in Dallas.

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[ARDude]

I think he has a point.

Have the site admin verify my IP address if you want, I'm in Dallas.

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Your point is not based on fact or reality. It is not illegal to use explosives the way DPD did. You may not like it, and you might not like that DPD or any other agency uses lethal force.

It doesn't change the fact that lethal force can be used, and the idea that the shooter was denied his due process because he was killed is a bit naive.

[Lex Talionis]

Since when do COPS HAVE BOMBS? Explain to me why law enforcement officers amongst their arsenal need to have bombs? How much more militarization of police will we tolerate? I am outraged..

I've got no problem with any 'tool' used to stop a deadly threat. If a flamethrower were available I'd say go for it. Because the same argument is used against us by the gun grabbers; why would any citizen need a "military rife"? Why? Because I may need it--- period!

[Vael]

Your point is not based on fact or reality. It is not illegal to use explosives the way DPD did. You may not like it, and you might not like that DPD or any other agency uses lethal force.

It doesn't change the fact that lethal force can be used, and the idea that the shooter was denied his due process because he was killed is a bit naive.

Point: DPD use of explosives was disturbing to me.

Fact - DPD pressed a button and neutralized a threat remotely with explosives.

Reality - minimization of 2nd amendment and other rights.

I'm good with lethal force, I just don't like cops using bombs to kill citizens.

You really need to re-read what I said before you go putting words in my mouth.

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[Bobby Ricigliano]

...I live in Dallas, military/police runs in my blood...

So are you a member of the military or an LEO?

Or just some sort of groupie?