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  • jlh95811
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2833

    Standard Operating Procedure for Leo's Trigger Fingers?

    I was wondering about this for a while. Can any Leo's chime in or anyone who may know.

    I have been watching a lot of COPS lately. I often see officers with their finger on the trigger while a suspect is laying of the ground with arms spread.

    Is this normal? I would think that they would only place a finger inside the trigger guard if a weapon presents itself.

    It is not very safe to rest a finger on the trigger. Anyone see that female officer shoot like 6 inches from a guys head while he was laid out?



    OOPS! Guess I'll go ahead and insert it back into my holster now. Wasn't needed anyway.

    I actually have a problem with them pulling guns out anyway unless they feel there is a true threat. Often times you see them do it just to bully people.
    Last edited by jlh95811; 01-03-2009, 11:30 PM.
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    CSDGuy
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 3763

    LEO's are normally taught to index on the the frame of the weapon. Human nature is what it is. Sometimes people who are taught to index on the frame find that they unknowingly placed their finger on the trigger while in a stressful event.

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    • #3
      1911su16b870
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      • Dec 2006
      • 7654

      In the Academy they teach a master grip or trigger finger indexed to a spot out side of the trigger guard. Finger indexes the trigger only after the mental decision to shoot has been made.

      IIRC that clip happened in Las Vegas, and that is why we keep our fingers off the trigger until the mental decision is made to shoot.
      Last edited by 1911su16b870; 01-03-2009, 11:34 PM.
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      • #4
        jlh95811
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2833

        Originally posted by 1911su16b870
        In the Academy they teach a master grip or trigger finger indexed to a spot out side of the trigger guard. Finger indexes the trigger only after the mental decision to shoot has been made.

        IIRC that clip happened in Las Vegas, and that is why we keep our fingers off the trigger until the mental decision is made to shoot.
        What is a master grip?
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        • #5
          CSDGuy
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 3763

          From what research I've done, it appears that a "Master Grip" is that you grip a weapon the same way every time you put your hand on that kind of weapon. Basically, it a way of teaching weapons handling consistency.

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          • #6
            xxxx
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 1706

            She was pointed a loaded gun at a secured mans head, from a very short distance, accidentally pulled the trigger, AND MISSED. She failed in every aspect, even the aspect of failing. This is a complete and utter fail.

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            • #7
              BillCA
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2005
              • 3821

              She was pointed a loaded gun at a secured mans head, from a very short distance, accidentally pulled the trigger, AND MISSED. She failed in every aspect, even the aspect of failing. This is a complete and utter fail.
              Fail? In your mind it would have been better if the suspect had died?

              Rewatch the clip and look at the suspect's hands. He was not secured when the gun went off. That's your fail for not being observant.

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              • #8
                xxxx
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 1706

                Originally posted by BillCA
                Fail? In your mind it would have been better if the suspect had died?

                Rewatch the clip and look at the suspect's hands. He was not secured when the gun went off. That's your fail for not being observant.
                Big black cop on top of skinny white guy = secured IMHO.

                I am happy he is not dead but lets pretend like her pointing a gun at his head was really that necessary, had she had to take his life, she would have missed.

                I am happy this guy is alive and I hope the female officer has been fired.

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                • #9
                  M. Sage
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                  • Jul 2006
                  • 19759

                  Judging by how many NDs I've heard of police having when either taking a handgun out of or putting it back into a holster...

                  They need better gun training, damn it. They don't get much, and most of them don't pursue any self-study and assume that couple of hours they got all those years ago is enough.
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                  • #10
                    BitterVoter
                    Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 119

                    I am not a very skilled weapons master, but even I will not put a finger on the trigger unless I am ready to pull the trigger.

                    Index on the frame.....why I like the SERPA...it helps train you.

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                    • #11
                      Warhawk014
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 1498

                      Originally posted by M. Sage
                      Judging by how many NDs I've heard of police having when either taking a handgun out of or putting it back into a holster...

                      They need better gun training, damn it. They don't get much, and most of them don't pursue any self-study and assume that couple of hours they got all those years ago is enough.
                      you can train for years and be very good handling a firearm. but untill you are put into a situation with a high amount of stress, you dont know how you are going to react. in any situation were life and death is at stake your probably not going to be thinkinjg about indexing your finger. with the amount of adrenalin pumping through you and your heart rate through the roof, unintended things happen.
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                      • #12
                        Casual Observer
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 1400

                        Originally posted by Warhawk014
                        you can train for years and be very good handling a firearm. but untill you are put into a situation with a high amount of stress, you dont know how you are going to react. in any situation were life and death is at stake your probably not going to be thinkinjg about indexing your finger. with the amount of adrenalin pumping through you and your heart rate through the roof, unintended things happen.
                        quoted for truth.

                        That's why it's so important to train and train some more under realistic conditions.

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                        • #13
                          tyrist
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 4564

                          Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot....it's gun safety law #3 in our department.

                          Our finger only goes on the tigger when we are about to use deadly force otherwise it's along the frame.

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                          • #14
                            CRQuarto
                            Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 266

                            Originally posted by tyrist
                            Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot....it's gun safety law #3 in our department.

                            Our finger only goes on the tigger when we are about to use deadly force otherwise it's along the frame.
                            +1

                            Same with our training for our department.
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                            • #15
                              dgey
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                              • Apr 2007
                              • 431

                              training should be an ongoing thing... todays budgets won't allow it, but the law suits that follow always seemed to get paid... penny wise, dollar foolish... how typical
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