Question: How off-roster guns get into CA?

[NinjaNinja]

So I'm still trying to understand this. How do off-roster firearms get into CA?

[SkyHawk]

CURRENTLY:

1. Law enforcement officers buy them
   
2. People move here with them as NEW RESIDENTS
   
3. People are gifted or willed them by DIRECT family living out of state (parent/grandparent/child/grandchild)

And there are a lot of off-roster but exempt handguns that anyone can buy, but I assume you aren't asking about those (single action, single shot, Olympic, C&R etc).

For others, they used to be on roster but no longer are (a lot of M&Ps, Ruger LC9, Ruger MkIII etc) - so they were bought by people when they were still on roster.

And before the single shot exemption workaround was outlawed, anyone could buy just about anything - so a lot of them got here that way.

[NinjaNinja]

CURRENTLY:

1. Law enforcement officers buy them
   
2. People move here with them as NEW RESIDENTS
   
3. People are gifted or willed them by DIRECT family living out of state (parent/grandparent/child/grandchild)

And there are a lot of off-roster but exempt handguns that anyone can buy, but I assume you aren't asking about those (single action, single shot, Olympic, C&R etc).

For others, they used to be on roster but no longer are (a lot of M&Ps, Ruger LC9, Ruger MkIII etc) - so they were bought by people when they were still on roster.

And before the single shot exemption workaround was outlawed, anyone could buy just about anything - so a lot of them got here that way.

Gotcha.

Is there a "restriction" for LEO's PPTing off roster handguns? I imagine a lot of thirsty gunners would befrined an LEOs to ask them to PPT from them any off rosters they wouldnt want.

[djflash]

Roster fairies.

[ARDude]

Gotcha.

Is there a "restriction" for LEO's PPTing off roster handguns? I imagine a lot of thirsty gunners would befrined an LEOs to ask them to PPT from them any off rosters they wouldnt want.

I don't think any LEO would want to jeopardize his job and/or possibility of incarceration with a straw purchase.
Now if you know a LEO that has a firearm that he genuinely doesn't like and is willing to sell to you, that's different.

[glassparman]

I thought "Off-Roster" sales were OK for private party transfers ????

[ARDude]

Off roster or not....as long as it's not a straw purchase.

[DDM4556]

I thought "Off-Roster" sales were OK for private party transfers ????

Yes. You can PPT any off roster gun you want. Plus, you get to charge 1.5 - 2 times the price of the gun new. And some people will even pay it

[71MUSTY]

So I'm still trying to understand this. How do off-roster firearms get into CA?

Many were here before the roster. Many were on the Roster and fell off because the manufactures got tired of Paying California what amounts to extortion.

If a handgun is on the roster and the manufacture changes one part (upgrades or even buying the same part from a different supplier) if falls off the roster.

No new weapons can be added to the roster unless they meet impossible microstamping requirements.

[NinjaNinja]

Roster fairies.

Lol so they do exsist


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[NinjaNinja]

I don't think any LEO would want to jeopardize his job and/or possibility of incarceration with a straw purchase.

Now if you know a LEO that has a firearm that he genuinely doesn't like and is willing to sell to you, that's different.

Gotcha


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[drifts1]

Not to long ago a few LA cops got busted for doing that. They buying off roster guns and flipping them for profit.

[Chewy65]

Some guy on another CalGun thread is adamant that an FFL can sell a non-exempt person an off roster handgun in a PPT as long as it was transferred from inventory into the FFL's private collection at least year before the PPT.

I believe he is flat wrong. Anyway, the fact that he is suggesting such implies that some of the off roster handguns are firearms transferred from inventory by dealers to their private collections.

[heidad01]

Some guy on another CalGun thread is adamant that an FFL can sell a non-exempt person an off roster handgun in a PPT as long as it was transferred from inventory into the FFL's private collection at least year before the PPT.

I believe he is flat wrong. Anyway, the fact that he is suggesting such implies that some of the off roster handguns are firearms transferred from inventory by dealers to their private collections.

^^^
A FFL holder is just another joe citizen. He can sell any or all of his property including his guns if he wishes so.

Threads like this remind me of the say "loose lips sink ships".

[SomeGuy75]

So here's a question...I know the DOJ runs a background on the buyer on a PPT, but is the firearm verified to be owned by the seller before transfer? Couldn't someone just give me firearm from out of state and then I turn around and PPT it here in CA? I realize this is against the law, and I am NOT saying I would ever do it, but is it actually checked by DOJ?