Question: How off-roster guns get into CA?

[Cokebottle]

Technically I thought a straw purchase was when someone buys a gun and sells to someone else without an ffl?
Only in California said it's a straw purchase even going through right channels ie through a ffl dealer

AFAIK, that's actually Federal.

The classic definition of a "straw purchase" is when a permitted person makes a purchase en behalf of a prohibited person, but apparently it has been more recently ruled that any purchase for another person other than a true gift is considered a Straw Purchase.

Legitimate gifts are legal, but that still allows for an affirmative answer to the first question on the 4473 "Are you the actual buyer"

[tvfreakarms]

So basically don't sell ur off roster right away I guess.
I guess the question is, how will they know if it's a straw purchase vs I shot the gun, don't like it and want to sell it

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[tvfreakarms]

AFAIK, that's actually Federal.

The classic definition of a "straw purchase" is when a permitted person makes a purchase en behalf of a prohibited person, but apparently it has been more recently ruled that any purchase for another person other than a true gift is considered a Straw Purchase.

Legitimate gifts are legal, but that still allows for an affirmative answer to the first question on the 4473 "Are you the actual buyer"

On the federal level a straw purchase is when a permitted person sells a gun W/o using an ffl whether that person is prohibited or not correct.
Only in California they are redefining what a straw purchase is.
Which doesn't make any sense. Like other rules and regulations they are making up as they go

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[Cokebottle]

So basically don't sell ur off roster right away I guess.
I guess the question is, how will they know if it's a straw purchase vs I shot the gun, don't like it and want to sell it

They don't, so they look for patterns.

A number of cops have been arrested for "laundering" off-roster guns, and one of the FFLs on the forum reported that the DOJ has been looking VERY closely at off-roster PPTs where the history of the gun may be questionable.

[packnrat]

from a leo cause they got themselves exempted from the law.

[tvfreakarms]

They don't, so they look for patterns.

A number of cops have been arrested for "laundering" off-roster guns, and one of the FFLs on the forum reported that the DOJ has been looking VERY closely at off-roster PPTs where the history of the gun may be questionable.

Makes sense. I guess if the person has a history of selling off roster pistol to many ina row maybe

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[tvfreakarms]

Makes sense. I guess if the person has a history of selling off roster pistol too many times

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[Cokebottle]

Makes sense. I guess if the person has a history of selling off roster pistol to many ina row maybe

Yep... 5 "transactions" per year... so he buys 25 or 30 guns, sells them to 5 different people, who in turn sell them to 5 different people.

[tvfreakarms]

Yep... 5 "transactions" per year... so he buys 25 or 30 guns, sells them to 5 different people, who in turn sell them to 5 different people.

Yea that's pretty obvious lol.

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[Nothingontv]

AFAIK, that's actually Federal.

The classic definition of a "straw purchase" is when a permitted person makes a purchase en behalf of a prohibited person, but apparently it has been more recently ruled that any purchase for another person other than a true gift is considered a Straw Purchase.

Legitimate gifts are legal, but that still allows for an affirmative answer to the first question on the 4473 "Are you the actual buyer"

That helps thanks. My wife might be receiving some gifts.

[Cokebottle]

That helps thanks. My wife might be receiving some gifts.

Still can not go interstate without an FFL.
Husband-wife is not roster exempt for intrafamilial transfers.

[T100toyota13]

So I'm still trying to understand this. How do off-roster firearms get into CA?

In my butt.

[Nothingontv]

Still can not go interstate without an FFL.
Husband-wife is not roster exempt for intrafamilial transfers.

My inlaws live in Oregon. I'm saying, I'll be looking forward to her birthday presents from my father inlaw.

I won't be transferring anything- just my father in law to my wife Via FFL

[peter95]

Not to long ago a few LA cops got busted for doing that. They buying off roster guns and flipping them for profit.

I believe they got busted becasue they ended up selling their issued weapon that they did not use becasue they chose to use another model.

[ReddingShooter]

Some guy on another CalGun thread is adamant that an FFL can sell a non-exempt person an off roster handgun in a PPT as long as it was transferred from inventory into the FFL's private collection at least year before the PPT.

I believe he is flat wrong. Anyway, the fact that he is suggesting such implies that some of the off roster handguns are firearms transferred from inventory by dealers to their private collections.

as a dealer, i can tell you that we can buy off roster handguns as private parties, act as the dealer and dros them to ourselves, and then resell them as private party transfers without them being in our personal collection for a year and also act as the transferring dealer on that transaction also. i myself did not know this until my DOJ rep told me personally.