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  • #46
    Captain Evilstomper
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 775

    Originally posted by bwiese
    You should not be thinking, or disclose, thinking about these matters in a shoot.

    Your only real choice is whether you decide to "stop the threat". The final outcome is immaterial other than dude stops coming at you/attacking you/etc.
    DING! we have a winner!
    you are threatened, you act to stop the threat. if the act of stopping the threat results in a death or a wounding it's still not the issue, the issue is the threat to you and the right to protect yourself.
    now can we be done with these threads?
    Reason has seldom failed us because it has seldom been tried

    Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion
    -- Edward Abbey

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    • #47
      -hanko
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Jul 2002
      • 14174

      Originally posted by gsusd
      When you had to make a choice to use your gun to defend yourself, what would you do:

      1. injure the robber (hit him on stomatch, his right chest...)?
      In this case, would you have to his medical bill?

      2. Hit the robber in the head or his left chest (aka. heart)?
      what you've got is a guilty feeling you carry rest of your life.

      How many rounds being shot before you stop to check on his "condition": 1, 2, or 3?
      I'm having a lot of trouble trying to believe your questions are serious...

      You don't shoot to kill nor injure. You shoot STOP THE THREAT.

      How the hell would anyone know who'd pay his medical bill??

      If you feel guilty after using a gun to protect yourself or your family from grave physical danger or death, why have a gun in the first place??

      The number of shots is based on how many it takes to stop a threat; again ,who knows.

      Post your question on ar15.com, you'll definitely get some serious and knowledgable responses.

      -hanko
      True wealth is time. Time to enjoy life.

      Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy schit...what a ride"!!

      Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain

      A man's soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog. Charles Doran

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      • #48
        Rob454
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Feb 2006
        • 11254

        Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
        In before the lock!

        .

        Me, I don't want to kill anyone. I want to live in peace and harmony for the rest of my life and I want to help little children live better lives and aide my fellow citizens when they are down and out. I would only resort to harming someone when I had absolutely no other choice in order to preserve innocent life. And only then would I seek to stop their actions and I pray they don't have to die over their choice.

        I feel the same way. I dont want to kill anyone but if theire threatening me and my family I will do what I have to do to save my family. And if that means me dying then thats fine too.

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        • #49
          Super-Dave
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 48

          I will empty every mag I got, cause in my neighborhood, they probably got more than me. LOL

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          • #50
            berto
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2005
            • 7723

            I was taught to shoot center mass until the threat is neutralized.
            "There are no outdoor sports as graceful as throwing stones at a dictatorship." Ai WeiWei

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            • #51
              gn3hz3ku1*
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 2006
              • 4276

              Guilty? who the heck asked him to come rob me? i am just protecting myself and my family.. would he feel guilty if he got away? prob not...

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              • #52
                Arkalius
                Member
                • Apr 2004
                • 102

                My motto in this instance...

                Don't shoot to kill. Don't shoot to wound. Shoot to stop. They'll stop when they're dead.
                -Arkalius

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                • #53
                  CaliGunOwner
                  Member
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 162

                  Center mass until the threat is eliminated...simple

                  I've never had to shoot w/ that kind of adrenaline pumping through me, that I'd probably rely on the muscle memory I hope I've developed
                  Last edited by CaliGunOwner; 12-13-2008, 7:41 PM.

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                  • #54
                    gsusd
                    Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 108

                    Originally posted by cxr
                    shoot the hostage!!!
                    lol.. thats my favorite part of the whole movie
                    lol...

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                    • #55
                      Gnome
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 1693

                      "Eliminate the threat"

                      Originally posted by E Pluribus Unum
                      During Y2K my neighbor and I were talking and he said he had a basement full of water and canned food. He asked if I had stocked up and I said that I had. I told him I bought a 12 guage shotgun, a .308 rifle and several bricks of .22 ammo.

                      He is an anti-gun guy and he said. "Well, you can't eat ammunition". I replied with "When I'm starving to death with a case of ammunition, who's door do you think I am going to knock on?"

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                      • #56
                        CrippledPidgeon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 1765

                        Originally posted by Axewound
                        +1 on training, keeping a cool head, mindset....taking the safety off

                        +1 aim center mass
                        I agree to this point

                        when you shoot at the range, at a silhoette, do u aim for the arm
                        this is the WRONG mindset here.

                        Obviously there are parts of the body that are ideal for putting down a target (center mass, or if you have the time, the head). BUT the important thing is to account for what's behind your target. If you've got sheetrock and a possibly bedroom behind him, them you're going to shoot for angles that will avoid travelling into the bedroom, or at least not travel far into the bedroom.

                        If I have to shoot his arm or leg because I'm afraid that I'm going to waste a friendly lying in bed in the room behind him, then I'm damn well going to.

                        the self-defense handgun class that I took was great in that the instructor set up targets in not just standing positions, and set them up so that they were partially blocking each other. He said that when you draw, immediately start putting bullets into your target, and as you do so, move to clear either the head or the center mass. The bullets might not be going through vital organs, but they're going into him, and that's far more important than not firing and waiting for that perfect shot.

                        And yes, I would be firing on my target until he no longer poses a threat to me (wounded or dead, that's up to him)

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                        • #57
                          leelaw
                          Junior Member
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 10445

                          Never, ever, EVER "shoot to kill" or "shoot to wound."

                          If you are justified to use a firearm to stop a threat, it's lethal force no matter where your rounds hit the suspect; and that's what it is: reasonable force to stop a threat.

                          When it comes time to fire aim center of mass. If necessary, a follow-up shot to the head, in the triangle created between the eyes and nose.

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                          • #58
                            jpkotor
                            Member
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 179

                            i guess no one watches comedy central in here because this thread is just begging for a reno 911 commercial quote!

                            "shoot to kill? shoot to maim? i say unload the clip and let god decide"*

                            *these are not the views expressed by jpkotor or affiliates.

                            our hd gun is a 12ga, so i dont think shot placement is as essential. as long as the barrel is facing the bad guy its up to chance what exactly the shot hits.
                            "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
                            -Mahatma Gandhi

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                            • #59
                              Timberwolf
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 6275

                              Just shoot the gun/knife out of the intruder's hand, then notch his ear with another shot and tell him he has until sundown to get out of town. Next . . .
                              I'm only smiling at you while you talk to me because it's hilarious that you really think I give a crap about you.

                              As I've gotten older I thought I was gaining patience, then I realized I simply don't give a crap.

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                              • #60
                                SJgunguy24
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • May 2008
                                • 14849

                                The choice was made when the perp entered your home.
                                There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
                                The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
                                The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
                                The others, well......they just never learn.

                                "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!"
                                Patrick Henry.

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