CA illegals and guns??

[riderr]

Not sure if you're serious. A quick Google turns up plenty of evidence.

http://www.capoliticalreview.com/cap...mit-they-vote/

If they are caught voting or even registered (false claim of U.S. citizenship) they may face a deportation and life-time admission ban. Usually immigration courts take these cases very seriously.

[Jimi Jah]

They buy them on the street like they always have. There are laws against all of this, but are they enforced?

Ever heard of someone going to jail for lying on a DROS form? That's the kicker, laws are meaningless without enforcement, ask the parents of dead kids in Chicagostan.

[riderr]

They buy them on the street like they always have. There are laws against all of this, but are they enforced?

Ever heard of someone going to jail for lying on a DROS form?

Supreme Court Affirms Police Officer's Felony Conviction for Buying Gun for Law-Abiding Uncle


...As part of that paperwork, Question 11a on Form 4473–created by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF)–asked whether you are the actual purchaser of the firearm (versus buying for another person). Abramski spoke to more than one gun dealer who said he could say he was the actual buyer...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/06/16/supreme-court-affirms-police-officer-s-felony-conviction-for-buying-gun-for-law-abiding-uncle/

[onelonehorseman]

how exactly are they fugitives from the law if the law is allowing them to live here freely?

LOL

Illegal aliens are fugitives from Federal law. In the case of CA, protected by state practices that choose not go to any lengthy measures to indentify, report, and turn them over to federal jurisdiction. Not sure it's a case of state law protecting them, but surely a case of state SOP essentially doing the same thing.

[EspoMan]

Since the nazis in sacrapmento have violated federal law and have now granted voting rights to those in the country illegally can they now purchase firearms?

They will have a license and possible car registration now. They would just need to lie on the 4473 about being an illegal alien, which is nothing to them since they are fugitives from the law aided and abetted by the democratic party.

Does this open up the legal firearm trade to the cartels because they can now use illegals to do straw purchases. Also, doesn't this defeat the argument for background checks because they are basically being thwarted by the same party that is advocating for increased background checks?

[CaliforniaLiberal]

Wait, wait, what??

Non-citizens don't vote. The requirements are that you have to be over 18, a resident of California and a Citizen of the US.

Have I missed something really important here?

Fill me in please, where and when have non-citizens voted?

Not sure if you're serious. A quick Google turns up plenty of evidence.

http://www.capoliticalreview.com/cap...mit-they-vote/

A quick Google search turns up no examples of any non-citizens charged with illegal voting.

A quick Google search turns up a couple of whack-job tea party web sites that all site the same years old study that was not based on actual data, but on the "estimates" by two college professors in North Carolina.

So I'll ask again, where and when have non-citizens voted?

[Bones98]

LOL. As if the cartels want anything that's on roster...

They make their own weapons, steal them from the Mexican military or from families that they kidnap or kill, and received them from OP: F&F.

[hermosabeach]

We all know that the SS# is not yet a requirement to purchase a firearm....


So when a background check is run, they search for criminal offenses tied to the name and other info....

So in theory, illegals could apply and buy a gun....

After all, CA DOJ does not deal with federal immigration status



So I can see the gun show loop hole being closed with a federal Gun buyers ID

Go down and get live scanned, photographed and an FBI check run.... Then get a yearly card to own a firearm


It for the children.....

[Wes C Addle]

Illegal aliens are fugitives from Federal law. In the case of CA, protected by state practices that choose not go to any lengthy measures to indentify, report, and turn them over to federal jurisdiction. Not sure it's a case of state law protecting them, but surely a case of state SOP essentially doing the same thing.

that's hardly what i would call a fugitive from the law. they're allowed to be here because they contribute to social security and pay federal, state, and local taxes.

[bountyhunter]

If they are caught voting or even registered (false claim of U.S. citizenship) they may face a deportation and life-time admission ban.

That'll keep them out of the country... for about three days.

[Pappagiorgio]

I would except CA is now giving licenses to illegals, if they are not already in the system (have a record) how is the NCIS going to distinguish between citizen and illegal?

Good question. CA licenses for illegals are almost identical to normal CA licenses, so similar in fact DHS asked CA to change the design to make them more visually different but CA refused.



The only difference between a normal license and an "AB60" license for illegals is this tiny notation "Federal limits apply." If someone isn't looking for that phrase, it will be mistaken for a normal license.

[Flyron]

The Illegals don't care about any of our laws, Fed or State. So what's it to them to live, work, drive or buy here. The US govt. is protecting them more than you and I.

[riderr]

Good question. CA licenses for illegals are almost identical to normal CA licenses, so similar in fact DHS asked CA to change the design to make them more visually different but CA refused.



The only difference between a normal license and an "AB60" license for illegals is this tiny notation "Federal limits apply." If someone isn't looking for that phrase, it will be mistaken for a normal license.

It also has a notion on the back. I doubt any FFL can miss it, considering how anal they have to be with all the other documents.

[huntercf]

A quick Google search turns up no examples of any non-citizens charged with illegal voting.

A quick Google search turns up a couple of whack-job tea party web sites that all site the same years old study that was not based on actual data, but on the "estimates" by two college professors in North Carolina.

So I'll ask again, where and when have non-citizens voted?

No one was charged with using drugs today in the city, must mean it didn't happen. Really?!?

The internet said it so it must be true...how is that french model you have been dating?

My question was not about the past, it is about the future. CA is giving DL to illegals AND signing people up to vote automatically when they get a DL. I just asked the question about the FUTURE ramifications of putting those 2 together.

[huntercf]

Good question. CA licenses for illegals are almost identical to normal CA licenses, so similar in fact DHS asked CA to change the design to make them more visually different but CA refused.



The only difference between a normal license and an "AB60" license for illegals is this tiny notation "Federal limits apply." If someone isn't looking for that phrase, it will be mistaken for a normal license.

Another question arises, since that "Federal limits apply" is on the license. Couldn't the BP checkpoints just ask to see everyone's license and if it has that then they have proof they are an illegal?