Avoid using uber and lyft if you can

[Nacho_Eater]

Concealed means concealed, I don't see a problem with their policy

This. The new definition of "Don't ask, don't tell".

[Gryff]

So you have a choice.

Tell me this, can Apple fire you?

You're argument makes no sense. You say that as an independent contractor, I only have to do the work. I don't have to abide by any other policies. So, you assert that if I showed up to the contract wearing KKK robes, I couldn't lose my contract? Seriously?

If I want the contract, I abide by their corporate policies. That doesn't make me an employee. Things like having to work in a set location, or specific hours...that makes me a de facto employee in the eyes of the state. But requiring me to wear attire that does not offend a significant portion of my co-workers does not make me an employee.

[mobbology]

I used UBER for the first time for the Warriors parade and I have to say wow!!!! Driver didn't even know I was concealed.

[The War Wagon]

JUST saw this on the local morning news. FUDGE 'em.

[therealnickb]

You're argument makes no sense. You say that as an independent contractor, I only have to do the work. I don't have to abide by any other policies. So, you assert that if I showed up to the contract wearing KKK robes, I couldn't lose my contract? Seriously?

If I want the contract, I abide by their corporate policies. That doesn't make me an employee. Things like having to work in a set location, or specific hours...that makes me a de facto employee in the eyes of the state. But requiring me to wear attire that does not offend a significant portion of my co-workers does not make me an employee.

That's a pretty extreme example. Anyone entering any private property owes some kind of socially accepted behavior. Having it written into a contract doesn't add any special requirement to your service.

The OP was about "concealed" weapons. If you wore your robe under your jumpsuit, no one knows right?

But for clarification about your contract. Are you saying it wouldn't be renewed? Or would it be terminated on the spot for offensive clothing? I think they would have a tough time with the latter based on something so subjective.

Granted, fighting a company like apple would be tough, but I've seen it done. When a unilateral contract is too broad in favor of the owner, the little guy can prevail.

[ryno066]

Easy boycott. Have never used "Uber" or "Lyft" in the first place. If the only advantage is cost, I don't see the advantage. I have no desire to let an amateur driver whom I've never met, use their personal vehicle whereby there is no guarantee of safety-servicing, and who has no accreditation of any kind, who has no requirement to prove or even care that he even knows where he is going - control the wheel.

I also don't call random strange girls off of Craigslist over to my house for sex without a condom either.

hahhaha everyone and i mean everyone has been better then every taxi i have ever taken.

[Soginator]

hahhaha everyone and i mean everyone has been better then every taxi i have ever taken.

This is true, which is why I said "if you can" in the title. Obviously in a free country, you can do as you please. Just figured people might want to avoid giving money to a company that irrationally doesn't support our rights (again, this policy from uber was a direct result of the chicago incident in which an uber driver defended innocents against a deranged gunman) if other viable options were available

[tonyxcom]

Symantecs IMO. The more potential control (exercised or not) they have over a "contractor" the more likely the contractor is actually an employee.

Don't be so dense. If Apple vocally bans guns on the campus and you CHOOSE to carry your gun on their private property and are somehow exposed you are CHOOSING to be potentially/probably fired or cancelled

It doesn't matter if you are an employee or a contractor.

[tonyxcom]

This is true, which is why I said "if you can" in the title. Obviously in a free country, you can do as you please. Just figured people might want to avoid giving money to a company that irrationally doesn't support our rights (again, this policy from uber was a direct result of the chicago incident in which an uber driver defended innocents against a deranged gunman) if other viable options were available

It's for liability. End of story.

If one of their drivers shoots or kills someone with their gun while they have a fare, or on the way to pick up a fare, Uber is at risk of being liable.

Ban them and you can likely pass liability to the driver.

The only place I don't carry is when there is PC that disallows it (Post Office etc). Concealed is concealed.

Until you carry it might be hard to grasp that concept and easy to get all butt hurt whenever a company "bans" them. People that EDC don't really care. You might make a statement by not shopping there, we might make a statement by not letting some dumb sign or policy stop us.

[therealnickb]

Don't be so dense. If Apple vocally bans guns on the campus and you CHOOSE to carry your gun on their private property and are somehow exposed you are CHOOSING to be potentially/probably fired or cancelled

It doesn't matter if you are an employee or a contractor.

Nice.

"Vocally" doesn't apply to contractors in the first place. (you could make a verbal contract, but Apple likely wouldn't do it on purpose) A statement or policy doesn't make a contract.

And as I wrote before; A private property "policy" applies to anyone entering the property. It's not a "condition" that applies to your contracted work. It doesn't force you to do anything. You don't have to accept the condition or perform the work.

But I'd still like to hear from someone about termination vs non-renewal. If you show up in a GOP t-shirt, can they terminate your contract? I don't think so. IF they can, I contend Apple just made you an employee. Non-renewing a contract is entirely different.

Anyone really interested in contractor vs employee can look up the labor codes. It's really easy to create an employee by holding too much power over them. Wether you exercise that power or not is irrelevant.

[therealnickb]

It's for liability. End of story.

If one of their drivers shoots or kills someone with their gun while they have a fare, or on the way to pick up a fare, Uber is at risk of being liable.

Ban them and you can likely pass liability to the driver.

The only place I don't carry is when there is PC that disallows it (Post Office etc). Concealed is concealed.

Until you carry it might be hard to grasp that concept and easy to get all butt hurt whenever a company "bans" them. People that EDC don't really care. You might make a statement by not shopping there, we might make a statement by not letting some dumb sign or policy stop us.

This I agree with 100%.

[tonyxcom]

And as I wrote before; A private property "policy" applies to anyone entering the property. It's not a "condition" that applies to your contracted work. It doesn't force you to do anything. You don't have to accept the condition or perform the work.

You don't think Apple is smart enough to think of this? That they don't include some of the same company policies on contracts for contractors as breaches? Let's be realistic about it though. It's up to the employee or contractor if the risk of being caught breaking ANY of these policies is worth losing your job or contract. Doesn't matter if its about guns or cat fish nuggets in your cube.

We aren't arguing the already muddy waters of what makes a contractor an employee. That is way beyond the scope of this thread and why it doesn't matter or we shouldn't be debating if you are an employee or contractor.

[therealnickb]

You don't think Apple is smart enough to think of this? That they don't include some of the same company policies on contracts for contractors as breaches? Let's be realistic about it though. It's up to the employee or contractor if the risk of being caught breaking ANY of these policies is worth losing your job or contract. Doesn't matter if its about guns or cat fish nuggets in your cube.

We aren't arguing the already muddy waters of what makes a contractor an employee. That is way beyond the scope of this thread and why it doesn't matter or we shouldn't be debating if you are an employee or contractor.

Agreed and agreed.

What brought in the IC vs employee issue is uber challenging CA about it's recent ruling that their drivers are employees. As I wrote, I believe uber is trying to have it's cake and eat it too.

[vliberatore]

Nice.

"Vocally" doesn't apply to contractors in the first place. (you could make a verbal contract, but Apple likely wouldn't do it on purpose) A statement or policy doesn't make a contract.

And as I wrote before; A private property "policy" applies to anyone entering the property. It's not a "condition" that applies to your contracted work. It doesn't force you to do anything. You don't have to accept the condition or perform the work.

But I'd still like to hear from someone about termination vs non-renewal. If you show up in a GOP t-shirt, can they terminate your contract? I don't think so. IF they can, I contend Apple just made you an employee. Non-renewing a contract is entirely different.

Anyone really interested in contractor vs employee can look up the labor codes. It's really easy to create an employee by holding too much power over them. Wether you exercise that power or not is irrelevant.

Where did you get your JD?

[KING_PALM]

You guys do know that Lyft doesnt allow Guns in their cars either per policy right?