COPS CALLED ON ME FOR OC!

[ajaffe]

Really? You must be bombarded with school zones. I'm always paranoid about that.

I'm in Mira Mesa, soon (hopefully) moving to PQ, RB, or Poway area. I'm surrounded by school zones and I don't think that will change if I move to those areas either.

I just bought a GPS system and it's pre-programmed with all the schools. It showed the list of schools around me, and there's basically a school every tenth of a mile from me.
I really despise this 1000' law.

PQ is littered with schools. I live in between Mount Carmel, Westview, Adobe Bluffs, Sundance, Sunset Hills, Black Mountain, and Deer Canyon. All within a 1-2 mile radius. It is insane here.

[rkt88edmo]

check out iriver's mp3 players - there are a few of them that record audio to MP3, I have a gen1 Clix and the mic picks up very well. Small to carry and easy to use. I am sure there are other manufacturers with this feature as well.

[ENTHUSIAST]

Glad to hear everything went smoothly...

You have an uncanny ability to remain calm, when the pucker factor is high!

[m98]

Ex-Marines as mall security? Either they're washouts or stupid. EVERY ex-Marine I know that's tried out for LE agencies has made it.

Most likely the Rent A Cop's weren't X-USMC. They'll probably just saying that to intimidate you or something like they've been trained to kill or their hands are legally registered weapons....LOL

[pullnshoot25]

Most likely the Rent A Cop's weren't X-USMC. They'll probably just saying that to intimidate you or something like they've been trained to kill or their hands are legally registered weapons....LOL

They gave plausible answers to that effect. Head guy said Artillery and lackey said Radio Operator. I asked head guy what his favorite artillery piece was and he gave off a very specific name (can't remember what it was.)

[gir007]

They gave plausible answers to that effect. Head guy said Artillery and lackey said Radio Operator. I asked head guy what his favorite artillery piece was and he gave off a very specific name (can't remember what it was.)

He was probably talking about the artillery in his pants!

[MrSlippyFist]

Awesome. Keep up the good work.

[m98]

They gave plausible answers to that effect. Head guy said Artillery and lackey said Radio Operator. I asked head guy what his favorite artillery piece was and he gave off a very specific name (can't remember what it was.)

Maybe he got the specific name from discovery/military weapons channel. He's probably just a wannabe X-usmc. You should of asked him what division/where trained and where stationed along with the types of gear he was issued (based on his mil-status at the time). I bet ya he'll probably stop for a moment to think about it and tell you a few things that don't belong in the mix.

[Liberty1]

Maybe he got the specific name from discovery/military weapons channel. He's probably just a wannabe X-usmc. You should of asked him what division/where trained and where stationed along with the types of gear he was issued (based on his mil-status at the time). I bet ya he'll probably stop for a moment to think about it and tell you a few things that don't belong in the mix.

There are real legal issues over which we can criticize the guards if that is what we wish to do. This "He's probably just a wannabe X-usmc" talk has no place in a rational discussion of the events.

We are engaged in activism for and education about an activity which is still foreign to most. PnS25 did great and was a fine ambassador for OC. Lets not sully his mostly positive experience (he did walk away with this sidearm after all) with unfounded denigration of the others involved.

I think they were wrong to detain him. They were confused over the issue of exposed carry and just didn't know what to do. Cops and security sometimes feel that they MUST act so as to do something, anything out of fear of non-action. We are also taught that we are there to protect the public which, except in certain specific rare events where we are present at the time and point of attack, is impossible except after the crime is committed and we have been called.

The hardest thing for rookies (and veterans) to learn is that many times doing nothing or at most just observing is the prudent course of action.

[Doheny]

[quote=CSACANNONEER;1657347][quote=762cavalier;1657103]

Yea, I miss typed what I ment to say. They do not have the right to detain you in order to "investigate" anything. If they are POSITIVE that you have committed a crime, they (or anyone else) can "arrest" and therefore detain you.

PC 490.5 (f) (1) A merchant may detain a person for a reasonable time for the purpose of conducting an investigation in a reasonable manner whenever the merchant has probable cause to believe the person to be detained is attempting to unlawfully take or has unlawfully taken
merchandise from the merchant's premises.

......

[kermit315]

What is the penalty if you dont comply with a merchants request to not leave?

[pullnshoot25]

There are real legal issues over which we can criticize the guards if that is what we wish to do. This "He's probably just a wannabe X-usmc" talk has no place in a rational discussion of the events.

We are engaged in activism for and education about an activity which is still foreign to most. PnS25 did great and was a fine ambassador for OC. Lets not sully his mostly positive experience (he did walk away with this sidearm after all) with unfounded denigration of the others involved.

I think they were wrong to detain him. They were confused over the issue of exposed carry and just didn't know what to do. Cops and security sometimes feel that they MUST act so as to do something, anything out of fear of non-action. We are also taught that we are there to protect the public which, except in certain specific rare events where we are present at the time and point of attack, is impossible except after the crime is committed and we have been called.

The hardest thing for rookies (and veterans) to learn is that many times doing nothing or at most just observing is the prudent course of action.

Well said Liberty1.

My question now is what should I do? At the very least I would like to see the mall code and see if there is anything enforceable in there concerning weapons, in particular firearms. I would also like to see the policy of the security company in regards to what occurred.

While a positive experience overall and a humorous one at that, some of these things just don't add up.

Fudge.

[1859sharps]

too bad you cannot sue for this unlawful detainment
time is money and you shoudl be compensated

WHAT???? sue??? that would be the worst thing pullnshoot could do at this time.

The #1 argument I have heard for open carrying is to educate. pullnshoot's encounter (I think anyway) illustrates that argument in action perfectly.

Why turn a positive 20 - 30 minutes into something negative?

If you are going to open carry, you need to accept this kind of encounter is going to happen. IF you are able to achieve a successful encounter like pullenshoot did, the way to look at this is not "sue time" or "I have been horribly wronged". Rather "hey I just donated 20 - 30 minutes to furthering the cause of restoring the right of self defense. There are now X more cops/security who learned something new today."

Suing and formal complaints in this case would be counterproductive and risk undoing everything pullnshoot accomplished.

[ENTHUSIAST]

If you are going to open carry, you need to accept this kind of encounter is going to happen. ...the way to look at this is... "hey I just donated 20 - 30 minutes to furthering the cause of restoring the right of self defense. There are now X more cops/security who learned something new today."

[devildog999]

Glad it all went well and the cops did the right thing as opposed to trying to arrest you or taking your gun