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  • #61
    wamphyri13
    CGN Contributor
    • Apr 2008
    • 2759

    Target Masters is, without a doubt, one of the worst shops to do business in. The employees expound opinion as law, they spread FUD like nobody's business, they take way too much time to complete simple paperwork, they have no safety governing the range, and too many other things to recall right now. They are second to none. Only GF&OS did them one better, one time. Recall the contacting the BATF story about a customers AR pistol? (AR or AK)
    I've been to Target Masters 3 times in my life.
    1)After I turned 21 I went to their range one night with friends. Place was empty, I kept my friends safe, (they had no familiarity with guns at all) had no problems, and we all had fun. Granted, that was in 1992ish.
    2)I met another calgunner there for a PPT. I was selling to him. It took 90 minutes start to finish. Plus they have ALL of their own BS paperwork to contend with. It was at that point I learned what a horrid place it was and vowed to return only once more. That was to prove a point.
    3)Went in to buy a CZ SP-01. When they handed me their 5-10 extra in store BS paperwork, I politely replied, "I don't need any of that. I already have this." (showed my HSC card that says according to the state, I'm good to go.) They said I couldn't buy a gun if I didn't do their paperwork. I reached into my pocket and pulled out $800. I showed it to them and said, "You see this? That's $800 you just lost because of your BS paperwork." I went to Reeds and was done in about 15 minutes.
    I will tell newbies in that area to go check out their supply. They do carry a lot of new stuff in their cases. I also tell them don't even think about buying there, tell them to check out others stories about the place, just to look and move on. How that place keeps the doors open and lights on with their FUD and other crap is beyond me. I for one won't spend any money there no matter what. I'm waiting for a store to get a CZ 75b SA in so I can buy one. No one has one in stock. I don't care if TM gets one first and it's the lowest price available. They get none of my money. It's the principle of the matter.
    On a side note but relating to principle, anyone see that Liam Neeson has another movie out where he's using guns to kill people?
    Ryan
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    • #62
      wamphyri13
      CGN Contributor
      • Apr 2008
      • 2759

      Also, why is everyone saying the 97b is off roster?
      CZ 97 B (Black) 01401 / Steel Pistol 4.658" .45 ACP 1/1/2016
      And unless I missed it, I didn't see it in the decertified pages.
      Ryan
      Edit - nevermind. I see it now.
      Last edited by wamphyri13; 02-19-2015, 4:31 PM.
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      • #63
        stix213
        AKA: Joe Censored
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Apr 2009
        • 18998

        Originally posted by manini
        Was the CZ originally obtained via sse? If so, was that info told to TM? I know that TM considers the whole sse process as illegal. They feel they are saving the customer potential problems by not helping their customers to obtain handguns obtained "illegally" via sse.
        If SSE was illegal, why did they have to pass a new law to make it illegal? Why didn't the government just decide to enforce the law rather than pass a new law to ban it? Do they have any brain cells at all over there?

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        • #64
          heidad01
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 4902

          Originally posted by wamphyri13

          2)I met another calgunner there for a PPT. I was selling to him. It took 90 minutes start to finish. Plus they have ALL of their own BS paperwork to contend with. It was at that point I learned what a horrid place it was and vowed to return only once more. That was to prove a point.
          3)Went in to buy a CZ SP-01. When they handed me their 5-10 extra in store BS paperwork, I politely replied, "I don't need any of that. I already have this." (showed my HSC card that says according to the state, I'm good to go.) They said I couldn't buy a gun if I didn't do their paperwork.

          Ryan
          ^^^^

          We have a similar idiots owned and twice idiotly operated and staffed called "Turners". It takes an hour and 15 minutes to do a ppt at Turners and less than 15 minutes at a professional gun shop most of which is chit chat.
          They also have all kinds of their own paper work non sense, very little knowledge of gun laws, do not receive guns for you, spread fud, and I can go on for another half hour in their praise.

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          • #65
            skosh69
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 4290

            Originally posted by KING_PALM
            PPT is exempt from the roster. Not sure why the shop turned you away .
            Because it's TM's, that's why.

            Rule #1, never go to TM's. There is no rule #2.

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            • #66
              bountyhunter
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 3423

              Originally posted by GunHo
              Just called TM to clarify. Refusing to do PPT on an "off roster gun" obtained by SSE is entirely the owners choice... They know it's legal, but for some absurd reason they refuse to do so
              If TM still has the same owner as the ten years I shot there, he is a certifiable nut case. You'd be better off arguing with a homeless guy who swats invisible flies as he walks down the street.

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              • #67
                Hank Dodge
                Member
                • Dec 2007
                • 369

                Places like Target Masters are the main reason places like Reeds are having to re-think their policies. The state says that an FFL MUST perform PPT services during any hours that they are open for business on any class of firearm that they are licensed to sell. If a shop sells rifles, they must perform private transfers of rifles. There is no exemption for not transferring a certain type of rifle. Target Masters will not PPT certain rifles.....that's flat out illegal. The same could be said for what they told the OP about that CZ. Other shops set certain hours for conducting PPT services...that's also illegal. Those shops then try to send you to another shop, and now that guy has to deal with the loosing proposition of handling the transfer.

                Face it, this state has created a situation for us that sucks and the dealers are left doing all they can to not lose their butt in the process. I get that, but there is no way that a dealer can refuse a PPT if they can do it during business hours and the weapon is legal to own in this state. People need to start reporting these offending shops to the DOJ.
                "Shoot them big guns....You can see the holes better!!"
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                • #68
                  Mitch
                  Mostly Harmless
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 6574

                  Originally posted by Merc1138
                  It's a TM thing. Probably is something in the water... like runoff from the landfill.
                  My point is, it certainly is a secret to me that some shops won't PPT an off-roster handgun. Personally, I have never thought twice about the roster when conducting PPTs, and it never would have occurred to me to call the shop ahead of time to make sure they would do it.

                  I strongly suspect this is a Targetmaster issue, and not that "it's no secret that not all shops will do this."

                  Originally posted by wamphyri13
                  Went in to buy a CZ SP-01. When they handed me their 5-10 extra in store BS paperwork, I politely replied, "I don't need any of that. I already have this." (showed my HSC card that says according to the state, I'm good to go.) They said I couldn't buy a gun if I didn't do their paperwork. I reached into my pocket and pulled out $800. I showed it to them and said, "You see this? That's $800 you just lost because of your BS paperwork." I went to Reeds and was done in about 15 minutes.
                  Priceless.
                  Last edited by Mitch; 02-20-2015, 6:04 AM.
                  Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                  Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                  • #69
                    Merc1138
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 19742

                    Originally posted by Mitch
                    My point is, it certainly is a secret to me that some shops won't PPT an off-roster handgun. Personally, I have never thought twice about the roster when conducting PPTs, and it never would have occurred to me to call the shop ahead of time to make sure they would do it.

                    I strongly suspect this is a Targetmaster issue, and not that "it's no secret that not all shops will do this."


                    Priceless.
                    Right, hence it being a TM issue and my comment about the runoff in the water from the landfill. Not sure if you're familiar with Milpitas where TM is located but the city is notorious for smelling like a garbage dump... because of the garbage dump, sewage treatment plant, the salt ponds, etc. all in the ***crack of the SF bay.

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                    • #70
                      bountyhunter
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 3423

                      Originally Posted by wamphyri13 View Post


                      3)Went in to buy a CZ SP-01. When they handed me their 5-10 extra in store BS paperwork, I politely replied, "I don't need any of that. I already have this." (showed my HSC card that says according to the state, I'm good to go.) They said I couldn't buy a gun if I didn't do their paperwork
                      There is actually a reason for that: Targetmasters forces it's buyers to accept conditions not required by law such as the 11 day waiting period to pickup the gun. They have to get you to sign your name to that in the documentation to make you accept it. If not in the paperwork, you could walk in after 10 days and they would have to give you the gun.

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                      • #71
                        pluke the 2
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 1926

                        Look at their website.

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                        • #72
                          pluke the 2
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2012
                          • 1926

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                          • #73
                            pluke the 2
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2012
                            • 1926

                            "If the handgun you are looking for is not on this list
                            - you can not buy it in CA -

                            Most Single Action revolvers & Single Shoot handgun
                            are exempt from having to be listed."

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                            • #74
                              ChevySS
                              Junior Member
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 55

                              Originally posted by pluke the 2
                              Look at their website.
                              Originally posted by pluke the 2
                              Originally posted by pluke the 2
                              "If the handgun you are looking for is not on this list
                              - you can not buy it in CA -

                              Most Single Action revolvers & Single Shoot handgun
                              are exempt from having to be listed."
                              Your missing the OP's question.. he asked about PPT (Private Party Transfer) and if it was legal for Target Masters to decline the PPT on the basis the gun he was purchasing was not on the approved CA handgun roster.. but PPT's are exempt from the CA approved handgun roster.

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                              • #75
                                GW
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • May 2004
                                • 16078

                                Originally posted by Straight-shooter
                                I have a chance to do a PPT for a brand new, unfired CZ 97BD tonight. I drove a long way to meet up with the seller whom i also appreciated that he went out of his way to accommodate me too. Long story short, we went to Target Master in Milpitas for PPT (only shop open till Midnight) and we got turned down. Why?? Because CZ 97BD was dropped from the CA roster. The owner bought it legally, had it registered in his own name. This is the only way in my ability that i can purchase a CZ 97BD that i've been looking for. Is this illegal for Target Master to refuse our PPT? Can i file a complain to DOJ and/or write a letter to NRA?
                                Illegal? No
                                Stupid and ignorant? You betcha.
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