Is this illegal?? Targetmasters ...

[SkyHawk]

They've taken the virtual Brillo pad to the comments left on their facebook page. Leave them a review instead - I don't think they can scrub those. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Targe...61?sk=timeline

[Merc1138]

Oh and to only make $10 off a PPT that takes 45 minutes to complete I do feel sorry for any LGS that has to do them. Hence I always try to buy equal number of new vs used guns from any LGS.

It doesn't take 45 minutes to complete a PPT. It takes a whopping 10 minutes(20 at the most if they have to walk one of the people through everything) for a PPT at a gun shop that knows what the hell they're doing. TM on the other hand will happily take 60-90 minutes for a sale or PPT, then another 30-45 on pickup day. They have at least 2 extra forms that need to be filled out with a half dozen "manager approvals"(that can't be done all at once) in addition to photocopy after photocopy, playing games with a highlighter, etc. I've never seen a gun shop give the employees and customers extra paperwork to put up with before.

Yet somehow every other shop only requires customers to fill out the 4473, and some shops don't even do that since you can just enter everything in on a computer real quick and they just print it(UG Imports comes to mind).

[GunHo]

There, just sent a PM to TM to confirm...

[RickD427]

Yes, we have all required docs to fulfill a PPT.

Thanks for reply. Show me to the band-wagon, I'll jump on.....................

[GunHo]

Just called TM to clarify. Refusing to do PPT on an "off roster gun" obtained by SSE is entirely the owners choice... They know it's legal, but for some absurd reason they refuse to do so

[Merc1138]

Just called TM to clarify. Refusing to do PPT on an "off roster gun" obtained by SSE is entirely the owners choice... They know it's legal, but for some absurd reason they refuse to do so

Same idiotic reason they won't have anything to do with "evil black rifles". The fact is they don't know if a firearm being transferred via PPT was acquired in CA via SSE, and they have no reason to care. It's actually ILLEGAL for them to decline doing the transfer.

[soopafly]

Let me guess, you're either a regular at Target Master

wrong

or know someone that works there.

wrong

Really though, if you were in OP's position and went through all that trouble, I'd be livid.

Could have called the gun shop first to confirm wether or not they will PPT off roster handguns. It's no secret that not all shops will do this.

I didn't read all the post but unless they have a valid reason to deny the PPT, I would definitely file a complaint with DOJ.

File a complaint with the DOJ? LOL...you mean the same CA DOJ that does not want the transfer of off roster pistols to happen in this state? LOL...good luck with that.

[GunHo]

Could have called the gun shop first to confirm wether or not they will PPT off roster handguns. It's no secret that not all shops will do it.

You got me there. I usually call the LGS on any concerns before paying a visit. Especially if you've never done a PPT there before. Hell, I think I called the store about 10 times before doing my 1st SSE. OP was likely in a rush.

[Decoligny]

Just to clarify most of these FFL's do not want to infringe or restrict, I can't speak for this establishment but your statement that FFL's can't add fees is incorrect. The DROS fee is $25 if an FFL wants to charge more they legally can, they just have to state that the difference is there fee. My shop charges $35 for a private party transfer. Not $35 for a DROS, we make $10 and why would anyone expect us to take our time to do something for free when we could be helping other paying customers? Just sayin!

California FFLs are limited by the CA Penal Code to charging a MAXIMUM of $35.00 for the PPT of a single handgun, and $31.00 for each additional handgun. $25.00 for the DROS and $10.00 for the FFL.

Not a penny more is authorized for any reason.

Charge more and you commit a misdemeanor.

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#20G

a) For a sale, loan, or transfer conducted pursuant to this chapter, the purchaser or transferee or person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm.
(b) No other fee may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm conducted pursuant to this chapter, except for the applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to Sections 23690 and 28300 and Article 3 (commencing with Section 28200) of Chapter 6 and forwarded to the Department of Justice, and the fees set forth in Section 31650.
(c) The dealer may not charge any additional fees.
(d) Nothing in these provisions shall prevent a dealer from charging a smaller fee.

28070. A violation of this chapter by a dealer is a misdemeanor.





23690. (a) (1) The Department of Justice may require each dealer to charge each firearm purchaser or transferee a fee not to exceed one dollar ($1) for each firearm transaction.
(2) The fee shall be for the purpose of supporting department program costs related to this act, including the establishment, maintenance, and upgrading of related database systems and public rosters.
(b) (1) There is hereby created within the General Fund the Firearm Safety Account.
(2) Revenue from the fee imposed by subdivision (a) shall be deposited into the Firearm Safety Account and shall be available for expenditure by the Department of Justice upon appropriation by the Legislature.
(3) Expenditures from the Firearm Safety Account shall be limited to program expenditures as defined by subdivision (a).


28300. (a) The Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund is hereby established in the State Treasury and shall be administered by the Department of Justice.
(b) Notwithstanding Section 13340 of the Government Code, all moneys in the fund are continuously appropriated to the Department of Justice, without regard to fiscal years, for the purpose of implementing and enforcing the provisions of Article 2 (commencing with Section 31610) of Chapter 4 of Division 10, enforcing Section 830.95, Title 2 (commencing with Section 12001) of Part 4, Sections 16000 to 16960, inclusive, Sections 16970 to 17230, inclusive, Sections 17240 to 21390, inclusive, and Sections 21590 to 34370, inclusive, and for the establishment, maintenance, and upgrading of equipment and services necessary for firearms dealers to comply with Article 2 (commencing with Section 28150).
(c) The Department of Justice may require firearms dealers to charge each person who obtains a firearm a fee not to exceed five dollars ($5) for each transaction. Revenues from this fee shall be deposited in the Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund.

[alfred1222]

Oh and to only make $10 off a PPT that takes 45 minutes to complete I do feel sorry for any LGS that has to do them. Hence I always try to buy equal number of new vs used guns from any LGS.

A PPT shouldn't take 45 minutes. 15 minutes MAX

[manini]

Was the CZ originally obtained via sse? If so, was that info told to TM? I know that TM considers the whole sse process as illegal. They feel they are saving the customer potential problems by not helping their customers to obtain handguns obtained "illegally" via sse.

[Mitch]

Could have called the gun shop first to confirm wether or not they will PPT off roster handguns. It's no secret that not all shops will do this.

Must be something in the NorCal water. I can't think of a SoCal shop that picks and chooses the PPTs they will deign to process.

[Merc1138]

Must be something in the NorCal water. I can't think of a SoCal shop that picks and chooses the PPTs they will deign to process.

It's a TM thing. Probably is something in the water... like runoff from the landfill.

[keenkeen]

Was the CZ originally obtained via sse? If so, was that info told to TM? I know that TM considers the whole sse process as illegal. They feel they are saving the customer potential problems by not helping their customers to obtain handguns obtained "illegally" via sse.

What if it was brought into the state by a new resident?

I'm they would still refuse the PPT...what if was a model that was on the roster when purchased but dropped off at a later date...I'm sure they would refuse the PPT.

Because you know, Targetmasters.

[cortayack]

Get that CZ97B its a great pistol!!! And if its off the roster now, even more reason to get your hands on it.....