My turn to complain about vaccine mandates :D

[deerdeerdeer]

ASR never takes a step back to look at the bigger picture. Someone drops a 'paper' in front of him and he'll pore over it in great detail. He's a details guy, that's all there is to it.

It's one thing to chat about this stuff out here in the ether. It's quite another to inject an untested substance into your own child knowing full well that covid is akin to a cold in children. And don't even tell me you're doing it "for the good of society" or to protect someone else's grandmother. (If you are, then yes it's virtue signalling.) Normal people don't sacrifice their children or submit them to a global experiment.

I worked with somebody like rocket, he told me 6 months ago he is waiting for a vaccine for his daughter, so he can protect POS people like me. I asked him, what do you mean? He said I am vaxxed but if you bring this to the workplace and I take this virus home its all your fault I asked him what if the vaccine manufacturer had it wrong, and the vaccine isn't ready. His response "Its ready when its ready and shes going to be the first in line". Virtue signal ,IMO, is shaming people for their own ego, while he tried to put me down to make himself feel better. Then, I went to a work party for our boss who is moving back to NYC. He let it be known via conversation starter, so "How come your not vaccinated?", in front of a group of coworkers from a different branch. For him, it was to sh** on me for his parade. I told him, look one of our Jewish coworkers who is 60, stated what your doing is forcing people to wear the star of david, he STFU pretty quick, I think I shamed him in public, and checked his dogmatic ego.I might be bias, but it looks exactly the same here.

He also got caught brushing college girls hair for photo shoots, we had a professional photo day for all college students, so they can build their resumes. I didn't personally see this, but about 5 co-workers saw it and told me it was disguisting. I think a lot of it is projection, they are not comfortable in their own skin, so they have to bully people. Pre-pandemic he always tried to bully me with his IQ. How his whole family is part of mensa of whatever, but my daughter won't be taking it, because everybody is smart. All this virtue signal stuff runs deep, goes back the ego and how they interact with you in-person or online.

I dont know if this matters but he is hard left, hates guns, promotes CRT, etc. I also know that he tried to kill himself in college by taking a bunch of pills because he didn't deem his life worth it. I feel for him, but at the same time, I am positive all this virtue signal crap lets them bully people legally now and get back to society for what "they" did. His suicidal attempt was due to his GF at the time leaving him. He blamed her for his attempt. I'm going to have to say my Spidey sense is telling me this is same sh**, different person, different day, but thats just my opinion, and like I always say, I hope I am wrong.

I posted this on a another thread, I believe SanDiego(?) or one of us anti-mandate person told me to avoid him because he is dangerous (they don't even know him in-person) It's scary how they knew that because hypothetically if there is s zombie apocalypse and we were still coworkers, he would kill me for my tools to protect his own family, and call it self-defense to protect his family. I signed up to become a police officer in 2012, got pretty far, but failed towards the end. He made sure to let everyone know my failures and point out the fact that I had a gun so he can scare people at work and deem me the evil person. In reality, I am not a fan of guns *gasp*, I agree with a peaceful world, but we are far from it. I believe the last African America lynched was 68 years ago, crazy right.. We have not advanced as a a society yet. It's a whole lot of projection on his part, I never made fun lf him nor talk behind his back. I can tell you though, everybody can see his true colors. I think he also hated the fact that I live in the spiritual world, the past, present, and future. My body and soul needs to be mindful at all times, thus I am pretty soulful and people get along with me easily. For him, nobody liked him, not our boss, my bosses boss, the new boss, the women at work, the men at work. As soon as he gets close to proximity of us, we make up a random job task and disband, pretty comical and telling.

My argurment for him via the gun debate if somebody intrudes and attacks you in middle of the night with a gun, what would you do, he stated "I have a bat and I will call the cops". I proclaimed and the cops come with what? He said even they are not suppose to have guns because its lethal force.Yep this is the society are dealing with, people who think they are critical thinkers, but recite the news, and the agenda. I do agree with his peaceful Utopia, but this person isn't peaceful but only brings negativity to the table for his own good.

I share this story because it seems pretty common for the people who are "in this together'....

[garand1945]

I have a long thread discussing the relative safety. From that you can build a cost-benefit trade, modulated by your own tolerance for unknowns.

Do you have to? No. But there is a rational case there.

I'd argue there isn't a rational case there. By the standard previous vaccines have been held to, this would be pulled from use on children because of the side effects. But all the previous rules have been thrown out because COVID.

Beside that, we have actual data on the risk to kids from COVID from the number who have died and those circumstances which I see as far more reliable than a small study done for the vax. The children who have died of COVID were in the vast majority of cases horribly sick already with pre-existing conditions. The risk from COVID to children is so small that you have to prove a substantial benefit to justify the use of a vaccine that will put every recipient at risk of the side effects.


From the American Thinker article:

[sd_shooter]

That's exactly the kind of perspective people are lacking these days. They isolate one variable and won't consider anything else. They'll optimize their lives around minimize the purported risk of covid while ignoring the countless other things that contribute to their wellbeing. (A very easy example is Obesity which is seemingly ignored by the 'medical community' and health organizations around the world.)

From the American Thinker article:

Quote:
According to a presentation by Fiona Havers, who works at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and who is a member of the agency’s COVID-19 Response Team, “[D]uring the 12-month period October 2, 2020 through October 3, 2021, there were 66 COVID-19 associated deaths in children 5-11.”

To give you a sense of perspective, children in that age bracket are three hundred percent more likely to be murdered (207 deaths) and thirty percent more likely to die of flu and pneumonia (84 deaths) than they are to die of Covid.

To give another point of comparison, according to the CDC in 2019, “608 child passengers age 12 and younger died in motor vehicle crashes.”

Please contemplate this point well. Children under 12 years of age are nearly 1000 percent more likely to be killed in a vehicular mishap than to die of Covid-19.

[bigbossman]

Five pages and 184 replies of circular arguments and moving the goalposts. Hats off to you, rocketman... .expert troll level achieved.

[Wherryj]

From a different thread:






What more do you need to know, when evaluating giving this vaccine to your child?

The issue with myocarditis is that it will often leave small islands of dead myocardial tissue after the infection. These scar over, and if the damage wasn't extensive enough there may not even be symptoms at the time.

These islands however can disrupt the electrical function of the heart, leading to arrhythmias as the electrical impulse from your pacemaker in the right atrium makes its way to the AV node. If the island is just large enough, the electrical activity can circle around and hit recently stimulated tissue that has JUST left its refractory period (the protection against lethal arrhythmias).

This is how ventricular tachycardia occurs after a heart attack-one of the most common causes for death after an MI in a person who survived the initial event. It can happen at some point in the future, without warning. THAT is why the death rate from myocarditis is listed as "5 year". True, the patients who die immediately from the myocarditis tend to be only the ones with fulminant myocarditis that kills enough heart to be the equivalent to a massive MI, but that doesn't mean that even those "minor" cases are out of the woods.

The patient I briefly spoke about never even knew he had suffered from myocarditis. Only the coroner found out. The patient and the family just had a very sudden and very tragic surprise.

This is also why the general physicians I know aren't that worried, but the cardiologists are VERY concerned. Most concerning is the fact that our local electrophysiologists are EXTREMELY worried.

[as_rocketman]

I'd argue there isn't a rational case there. By the standard previous vaccines have been held to, this would be pulled from use on children because of the side effects. But all the previous rules have been thrown out because COVID.

This is false. The safety data from these vaccines are in good company with currently available "traditional" vaccines.

[deerdeerdeer]

So me arguing that your evidence from a journal publisher is from a company that have put out fake research journals for profit is a communist thought? Hmm. Ok. Whatevers.

Who funds science by any chance? Is it the researchers themselves?

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They are paid a large sum salary to STFU and do as what is said just llike any job/career. That reminds didn't two executive of Pfizer leave because they didnt think this was right, but inhumame?

[bigbossman]

The issue with myocarditis is that it will often leave small islands of dead myocardial tissue after the infection. These scar over, and if the damage wasn't extensive enough there may not even be symptoms at the time.

These islands however can disrupt the electrical function of the heart, leading to arrhythmias as the electrical impulse from your pacemaker in the right atrium makes its way to the AV node. If the island is just large enough, the electrical activity can circle around and hit recently stimulated tissue that has JUST left its refractory period (the protection against lethal arrhythmias).

This is how ventricular tachycardia occurs after a heart attack-one of the most common causes for death after an MI in a person who survived the initial event. It can happen at some point in the future, without warning. THAT is why the death rate from myocarditis is listed as "5 year". True, the patients who die immediately from the myocarditis tend to be only the ones with fulminant myocarditis that kills enough heart to be the equivalent to a massive MI, but that doesn't mean that even those "minor" cases are out of the woods.

The patient I briefly spoke about never even knew he had suffered from myocarditis. Only the coroner found out. The patient and the family just had a very sudden and very tragic surprise.

This is also why the general physicians I know aren't that worried, but the cardiologists are VERY concerned. Most concerning is the fact that our local electrophysiologists are EXTREMELY worried.

Thank you for the factual and real world experience you bring to an otherwise useless thread. What you describe is EXACTLY why no one in my household will ever get this vaccine. I personally know of two folks that had "mild" myocarditis episodes that were directly related to the vaccine - as told to them by their physicians.

Honestly - I don't know what else needs to be said on the subject of giving this poison to your child, but I have long come to the conclusion that this thread has masturbatory properties for the OP.

[deerdeerdeer]

Thank you for the factual and real world experience you bring to an otherwise useless thread. What you describe is EXACTLY why no one in my household will ever get this vaccine. I personally know of two folks that had "mild" myocarditis episodes that were directly related to the vaccine - as told to them by their physicians.

Honestly - I don't know what else needs to be said on the subject of giving this poison to your child, but I have long come to the conclusion that this thread has masturbatory properties for the OP.

^^^^^^^ and also I also thank Wheeryj for sharing his real life experiences

[as_rocketman]

Thank you for the factual and real world experience you bring to an otherwise useless thread. What you describe is EXACTLY why no one in my household will ever get this vaccine. I personally know of two folks that had "mild" myocarditis episodes that were directly related to the vaccine - as told to them by their physicians.

I think talking to a physician about this is wise. I also think advice of a cardiologist is reasonable.

Opinions vary. Most of what I've encountered follows this. In my experience, which is limited as only one member of my family has heart problems (rather significant ones), dread of the vaccine is not a commonly held opinion in the subfield. But I didn't take a survey.

[deerdeerdeer]

Five pages and 184 replies of circular arguments and moving the goalposts. Hats off to you, rocketman... .expert troll level achieved.

He is saving the world though by sharing us data from the Pfizer brochures, which anyone of us can obtain or watch on mainstream media. If anything, one day he will wake up and see the truth, or we are all wrong and will go back to his data set, time will time the true truth. We are all crappy opinion editorial writers anyway so this thread is just the collective hivemind working towards the truth. This thead is mandatory, as long as we speak to each other , we are together here discussing a serious topic, once we ignore each other, well thats when it gets real bad. We can't ignore his data either, really want too because the source is telling lies, but its still data.

[Term]

Patience, Grasshopper. Time will tell.

The I told you so's are going to be epic.

[Rottentofu]

The I told you so's are going to be epic.

Not really. I don't see how people dying or getting hurt would be epic. I honestly hope that does not happen.

[deerdeerdeer]

Not really. I don't see how people dying or getting hurt would be epic. I honestly hope that does not happen.

Yesh its not, and most likeky the unvaccinated will be blamed or we will have to take care of the vaccinated people. Put ego aside my man, we need to figure out this Pfixer Sodoku stuff they got going on.

[Den60]

You could try more name-calling. That might work.

I started this thread to talk about the absurdity of one-size-fits-all mandates. I have another thread to talk about vaccine safety data. Y'all enjoy making trouble, and that's fine -- but you've done a terrible job of demonstrating that I've underestimated the risks. Your claims just aren't supported.

To be honest, I think you knew what would happen, the reaction you would get on here, when you mentioned jabbing your daughter. You were looking for another fight in my opinion.