My turn to complain about vaccine mandates :D

[tundraboomer]

Let the man make his choice, just as we have the right to make ours.

[Fate]

Let the man make his choice, just as we have the right to make ours.

Foolishness has a way of culling itself from the gene pool. Time will reveal whos who.

[sd_shooter]

Let the man make his choice, just as we have the right to make ours.

Yes. ASR doesn't favor mandates, and he's still a calgunner.

I won't be shocked if all of us get a shot eventually. I'll delay as long as possible.

[LBDamned]

Let the man make his choice, just as we have the right to make ours.

I agree with this.

[theduracellbigd]

Just remember, if you're daughter is 7 and she develops Myocarditis from vaccine...congratulations you just gave a death clock of 10 years to your daughter.

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Just remember you are ignorant in comparison to rocketman, and comments like that that show your ignorance and ill willed nature. Congratulations peeps like you give the right that ignorant mean spirited stereotype the left love to exploit. Rocketman posted about frustration over arbitrary rules he sees unconstitutional and most all of us can agree about that. Remember the small print below the COVID forum heading it says, "discussion, debate, sharing and helping each other "

[LBDamned]

Yes. ASR doesn't favor mandates, and he's still a calgunner.

I won't be shocked if all of us get a shot eventually. I'll delay as long as possible.

'We' won't all get the shot.

[theduracellbigd]

Very well said

[theduracellbigd]

Find Christ, goofball.

Name calling, that is not very Christian, Church Lady

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuJpalsj9sQ

[as_rocketman]

point proven

whatever someone posts here you will just shoot it down, I'm not playing your game.

But, you see, it isn't my game.

I started this thread about how silly legal mandates can be in application. Nothing more.

Organically, the conspiracy theorists here started arguing against the act of vaccination itself -- claiming "the data" begged the question. That's not my game here, it's theirs. I have a ten page thread on vaccination safety data already. Unsurprisingly, many there have similar claims... that they cannot support.

So... yeah. Misplaced anger, friend.

At least you acknowledge that it is a game. Misinformation is not my idea of fun, but we live in strange times. I am also compelled to note that you aren't much good at it.

LOL, he called most of us minoirities, you know this sounds like you are above the law and we are all peasant, some CRT stuff.

I called nobody "a minority." I pointed out that even among evangelical Christians, vaccine hesitancy is a minority viewpoint. RIF.

I've posted the myocarditis table several times

You've made seven posts containing the word "myocarditis," and none of them include a table. I don't believe this statement is correct, either.

Just remember, if you're daughter is 7 and she develops Myocarditis from vaccine...congratulations you just gave a death clock of 10 years to your daughter.

No evidence supports that.

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A number of you, however, seem to be sincere about "right to choose," and I appreciate that. There is some sanity to be found even here.

[BrokerB]

I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you.

Let me stick this kid with an experimental drug, which has better odds of giving you some side effect versus you being permanently hurt by this KungFlu virus. You are better off not having sugar and lunch meats in your home, or drinking out of plastic containers...or living in southern CA air.

I'm still waiting to see what the benefits are of jabbing a kid versus them using the best god made natural immunity I'm the world.

[OlderThanDirt]

[Deadon]

Why would you vaxx your daughter? So she can have some freedom that she should have anyway?

[OlderThanDirt]

You have to earn your freedom now.

[Libertarian777]

This isn't the best thread for it, but I've been asking long and loud for precisely these data, and I haven't seen them yet. Just claims. Do you have them?

I'll bite.

Here's the problem.
We present data... e.g. VAERS... immediate response is 'VAERS is flawed'.

Present data of childhood hospitalizations (1.7% ex neonatal) as a background rate and lack of data separating the 0.4% hospitalization rate of children WITH covid being part of the 1.7% background rate and your response is (with no reference), the CDC's protocol accounts for this

We present data of childhood deaths from Covid

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

And you'll still dismiss it.

Looking at the data from the trial itself, the ARR its hard to justify vaccinating all children (3/1305 in vaccinated vs 16/663 control got infected, NONE died, NONE were severe). ARR (of infection...) is 2.18%. Note there's no ARR for hospitalization because there were none.
But lets assume this ARR actually reduces hospitalizations at the same rate as infectivity.

8300 hospitalizations out of 1.9M hospitalizations and 6oo deaths, but only 82% were for covid. so 6806 hospitalized children FOR covid. Even though 2/3rd had comorbidities, lets ignore that.

So per million, we're talking 21,800 fewer cases, or 75M children under 17 = 1.6M cases.
So we're preventing 6806/1900000 x 1600000 = 5700 hospitalizations and 500 additional deaths (remember this includes children with comorbidities).

But remember, 1.7% of children are hospitalized a year, out of 75M, that's 1.275M hospitalizations. Not vaccinating would raise that to 1.280M hospitalizations.

So no data or proof would even convince you.

Not to mention the trial data was 3,500 cases, but best knowledge is 1:7000 risk of myocarditis for children from the vaccine, so obviously the trial group will have 0 cases.

Would have been interesting to see if you had the same take if you were takin Vioxx for multiple months, because the double blind RCT + FDA approval showed it was safe (just not long term).

[WingDings]

You have to earn your freedom now.