My turn to complain about vaccine mandates :D

[bigbossman]

From a different thread:

You obviously don't treat myocarditis. Even with fatal cases, the initial course if often "relatively benign". Patients are typically hospitalized rather briefly and appear to recover. It is over the next few years that things show a serious decline.

It's a big enough number that I can understand the concern. It will be important to estimate the outcomes as well, not just the incidence.

What more do you need to know, when evaluating giving this vaccine to your child?

[LBDamned]

Covid vaccine very harmful compared to other vaccines

https://www.citizensjournal.us/covid...ines-combined/

Months ago - I asked 'what is the record for vax deaths' (as in previous vaccinations)... everyone said 'dunno' - they don't think it exists ...

That was many months ago... here we are.

[Den60]

Personally, I wouldn't vaccinate my healthy minor (if I still had one) against a disease that would likely not affect them seriously with a vaccine that doesn't stop one from getting or spreading the disease. I never vaccinated my son for the flu but he did get the other vaccines, those actually work. I understand feeling pressured by our oppressive government to comply or be shunned and I feel that such pressure is illegal and immoral.

[Rottentofu]

This post, on its own, should make a reasonable person stop and think VERY carefully about getting the vaccine, let alone giving the vaccine to a defenseless child.

The problem is we assumed we were talking to a REASONABLE person. Of course, in his mind, he is the only reasonable one here. The rest of us are all conspiracy nutjobs.

[The Tiger]

It is one thing to argue the rarity of side effects

It is a separate thing to be o.k. with the mandate

And yet another thing to be o.k. with a mandate with their liability shield in place

This is a disaster on so many levels. Do away with the liability shield and have actual approved shots and then you might have more people open to this stuff.

As it stands, if you have side effects you are own your own. And what is worse is they deny the side effects are side effects. Your spontaneous paralysis is normal, enjoy being disabled and have fun paying your medical bills. All the while they are telling you how you are getting jabbed to protect others.

[as_rocketman]

My prayers are with your daughter, but I hope you realize that "a few weeks" isn't enough to know if there are going to be issues. At least young girls are at lower risk than young boys, so hopefully she'll be lucky.

No, it is enough. What I'm waiting for is confirmation that the new formula, in younger children, doesn't mysteriously result in a much higher incidence of low-rate events. In adolescent boys we see myocarditis at rates of up to 72 per million, and this peaks at about seven days after the second dose. I'm hoping for much lower -- but the noise band I will tolerate is about 10 per million. We can do a fair comparison with a deployment of ~ 1 million subjects, which we met on day six, plus a few weeks for the data to be collected.

There IS however that little concern that the spike protein loves ovarian tissue, so she may survive only to wonder years from now why she can't conceive. I guess that the rest of us should thank you for donating your children to the vaccine trials.

While hard to prove a negative, no evidence supports this as credible.

If you're going to dive so deeply into speculation, then I should be allowed my own. In my opinion, the threat of the mRNA vaccines is vastly overblown in comparison to SARS-CoV-2 infection. If the epitope is so damn dangerous, then infection with a replicating version of that same epitope should be an outright catastrophe. I find it difficult to follow the logic of avoiding vaccination without taking extreme countermeasures against infection -- but again, that's just me.

As for the data mentioned by Dr. Kirsh, I actually got a chance to look at the study, but I wish that I had kept a copy as it has been scrubbed from the internet. The stated reason is "it's not peer reviewed". It was scrubbed long before it could have possibly had a chance to be peer reviewed-and no physician wants their medical board coming after them for wrong-think.

Steve Kirsch is not a doctor, and his derivations are worthless.

Please keep in mind that something is SERIOUSLY wrong here. I had concerns, but they fully blossomed when I started receiving proactive threats from my medical board about writing exemptions for masks or for prescribing hydroxychloroquine and zithromax. Sure, these may not be proven, but they are PROVEN incredibly safe over long years of REAL clinical trials and ACTUAL post-marketing surveillance. As NOTHING else is being allowed as treatment, how is it such a flagrant violation of medical norms to try something for a patient who is ill? It really is "best" to just sit back and do nothing?

It amped up with the threats to revoke licenses for exempting patients from masks or vaccines. These aren't single time emails to members either. I have received them repeatedly. I have NEVER seen anything like this before. Even the "opioid crisis" doesn't have the board threatening immediate action upon my license for prescribing and opioid. WHY are they acting like this if everything is legit?

I am not defending, nor have I ever, the cack-handed politics of the situation. But this is appeal to motive at work. You should not assume that the morons in charge who continue to mismanage the whole affair are actually secret geniuses sitting on, and successfully concealing, earth-shattering information -- particularly when the only evidence you have in support is the mismanagement itself.

[as_rocketman]

OP use a site like duckduckgo to do a little bit more 'research'

One of the first hits:

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210802/after-nearly-9-million-pfizer-shots-for-us-teens-serious-side-effects-rare-cdc

Meanwhile covid is virtually harmless to kids
(healthy kids anyway.... the Obese/Sick are already compromised)
https://circleofmamas.com/parenting/...kids-under-12/

Your own reference says 340 cases of myocarditis in 9 million subjects -- a rate of 0.0038%, even before we correct for background rates of myocarditis or filter with respect to severity. Compare this against 0.8% ICU and 0.01% CFR with infection, also in your source. It looks pretty good. That's my point.

[bigbossman]

Steve Kirsch is not a doctor, and his derivations are worthless.

LOL..... oh, the irony!!!!

[Term]

Please keep in mind that something is SERIOUSLY wrong here. I had concerns, but they fully blossomed when I started receiving proactive threats from my medical board about writing exemptions for masks or for prescribing hydroxychloroquine and zithromax. Sure, these may not be proven, but they are PROVEN incredibly safe over long years of REAL clinical trials and ACTUAL post-marketing surveillance. As NOTHING else is being allowed as treatment, how is it such a flagrant violation of medical norms to try something for a patient who is ill? It really is "best" to just sit back and do nothing?

It amped up with the threats to revoke licenses for exempting patients from masks or vaccines. These aren't single time emails to members either. I have received them repeatedly. I have NEVER seen anything like this before. Even the "opioid crisis" doesn't have the board threatening immediate action upon my license for prescribing and opioid. WHY are they acting like this if everything is legit?

I am not defending, nor have I ever, the cack-handed politics of the situation. But this is appeal to motive at work. You should not assume that the morons in charge who continue to mismanage the whole affair are actually secret geniuses sitting on, and successfully concealing, earth-shattering information -- particularly when the only evidence you have in support is the mismanagement itself.

What he is describing is not "mismanagement" it is actually malfeasance.

malfeasance
măl-fē′zəns
noun

1.) Misconduct or wrongdoing, especially by a public official.

2.)Evil-doing; the doing of that which ought not to be done; wrongful conduct, especially official misconduct;
violation of a public trust or obligation; specifically, the doing of an act which is positively unlawful or wrongful,
in contradistinction to misfeasance, or the doing of a lawful act in a wrongful manner. The term is often inappropriately used instead of misfeasance.

3.)The doing of an act which a person ought not to do; evil conduct; an illegal deed.

[as_rocketman]

LOL..... oh, the irony!!!!

Confirmation bias is hell on reading comprehension, isn't it?

Those were two separate statements. His derivation is garbage whether or not he's a doctor. He could even have a Nobel for immunology. Among other things, he's predicted the vaccine would be fatal to 1 in 1,000 subjects -- and with literally billions of doses in the field, I feel pretty confident even you can find a problem with his result.

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What he is describing is not "mismanagement" it is actually malfeasance.

Call it what you like and use whatever dictionary you please. You understand my point. Appeal to motive can justify whatever conclusion you like -- and as such, it is of no value.

[Term]

Call it what you like and use whatever dictionary you please. You understand my point. Appeal to motive can justify whatever conclusion you like -- and as such, it is of no value.

The only "value" that comes from your posts watching the overwhelming rejection they get.

[bigbossman]

"you are not a doctor, and your derivations are worthless".

LOL

[as_rocketman]

The only "value" that comes from your posts watching the overwhelming rejection they get.

Appeal to popularity fallacy... but it's no concern of mine whether you personally value them or not.

Remember, the louder the echo, the bigger the chamber.

[stonefly-2]

Appeal to popularity fallacy... but it's no concern of mine whether you personally value them or not.

Remember, the louder the echo, the bigger the chamber.

Three defensive mechanisms in one thread Rocketman?

[CheapBloke]

While hard to prove a negative, no evidence supports this as credible.

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That website's publisher is known to put out fake journals for profit. Lol.

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