Our "great testing" is completely stupid

[Den60]

I misread your 50% /.45 and used that number. The CDC data is pretty badly lagged now since they've routed all data to HHS first (and the HHS website is total garbage). Using the last data point for which there appears to be at least somewhat complete data, on 7.25, we have about 25% 64 & under, 25% 65-74, 25% 74-85, 25% 85+. This is consistent with the CA dashboard as SAN posted. So, yes, agreed, 50% of deaths are 75+. Age 0 to 74 makes up about the other 50%, with most of that in the 35-74 age range. All of this is to say that the risk to families who are still working, still taking care of kids, still vital to society and community is not negligible. Allowing SNFs/LTCFs to refuse reentry by the sick would've directly introduced active cases into this population instead of keep it contained within those facilities.

It seems that you are adamant that Cuomo's ordering of SNFs/LTCFs to accept COVID19 patients was a poor one. I agree that it resulted in large numbers of deaths.
However, my position that it was the correct decision, and remains the correct decision given that we don't have better choices. The best one would've been to send those sick patients to quarantine facilities (like the ones China built), or at least the improvised field hospitals like at Jarvis. I'll stop going on about this now because you and I have different viewpoints, and I can see where your perspective comes from though I disagree with it.

On 7/25/20 per your graph we had 77% of those that died over the age 65, I'm guessing that is for the week. Not sure what point you are trying to make as I said overall the percentage of deaths is 80% being over the age of 65. I'm sure it varies a little above or a little below for each week.

[therealnickb]

None of the fear posters will matter soon.

Only 10%, at best, of the infected have been accounted for so far.

A small fraction of the “covid deaths” will actually have been caused from covid solely.

[duenor]

I am sure that medical care is much better in China and their facilities make ours look like a third world sh**house but we make do. I mean, I'm sure the picture you posted is the worst a Chinese patient will find, right?

The point is that we paid $660 million for field hospitals that were not adequate for treating COVID cases, that weren't allowed to treat COVID cases, went largely unused, and today we don't even have that. Nursing home residents who get sick have no choice but to go back to their SNFs or risk infecting everyone at home - if home is even able to care for them. The money we burned through could easily have built many facilities like those that China built, purpose-built COVID centers - in fact, we probably could have built much better ones.

No need to get your American pride hackles up, this isn't about that - although having seen first hand a number of different medical systems in different countries, I certainly have a different perspective regarding our own. It is about how SNF patients had nowhere else to go but back to their SNFs back in Feb, and today the same situation remains in spite of all we've paid. Those who are making the decisions are, in short, making poor ones.

As for your incredulity over China's case & fatality numbers, it's certainly quite possible China's numbers are being downplayed. But there is no way that they are having an uncontrolled epidemic like we are having here. They would not be able to hide it. It is clear they have gotten it under control, much like Germany, Italy, France, Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Denmark, Saudi Arabia, Singapore and so on. All of those countries combined had less than 35 deaths yesterday. We had 1,499. There is no way you can look at that and say, "Our leaders are doing a good job." Yet they are still saying, "It's going to disappear", "Our numbers will be very good", "Best testing system in the world", and so on. It's all BS. The numbers speak for themselves.

[sd_shooter]

The point is that we paid $660 million for field hospitals that were not adequate for treating COVID cases, that weren't allowed to treat COVID cases, went largely unused, and today we don't even have that. Nursing home residents who get sick have no choice but to go back to their SNFs or risk infecting everyone at home - if home is even able to care for them. The money we burned through could easily have built many facilities like those that China built, purpose-built COVID centers - in fact, we probably could have built much better ones.

We certainly could have built a few hundred new hospitals for the cash we spent. It would be good but they would sit idle after the first couple months of operation. (Better not to call them 'covid' hospitals, there aren't even enough covid patients to fill the ones we have.)

Ever think about how long the average nursing home resident is expected to live, even in the best of times? Three years:

https://www.mylifesite.net/blog/post/so-ill-probably-need-long-term-care-but-for-how-long/

So we'd have a stack of new hospitals, we'd fill them with these aging covid patients. Instead of having 50% of those old people die, we'd have 25% of them die, and the remaining 75% would get to back back to their nursing homes. (Totally made up numbers, but they don't matter - see below)

They would die within a couple years anyway. So do you see that we're not 'saving' anyone? They already have one foot in the grave. We are all going to die, these people have already lived a full life, the're 80-90 years old and they're done. All this BS about 'saving' people is just postponing the inevitable by a couple years at most.

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As for your incredulity over China's case & fatality numbers, it's certainly quite possible China's numbers are being downplayed. But there is no way that they are having an uncontrolled epidemic like we are having here. They would not be able to hide it.

LOL, we're not having an uncontrolled epidemic here either. Stop reading the liberal MSM news.

It is clear they have gotten it under control, much like Germany, Italy, France, Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Denmark, Saudi Arabia, Singapore and so on. All of those countries combined had less than 35 deaths yesterday. We had 1,499. There is no way you can look at that and say, "Our leaders are doing a good job." Yet they are still saying, "It's going to disappear", "Our numbers will be very good", "Best testing system in the world", and so on. It's all BS. The numbers speak for themselves.

Oohhh! Deaths!! I'll go hide under my bed until this pestilence blows over.

Do you ever even open the door to go outside? Covid is the least of my worries, the other drivers on the road are far more dangerous. Not to mention the liberals defunding our police forces, the rioters/looters/murderers. Get some healthy perspective.

[duenor]

(Better not to call them 'covid' hospitals, there aren't even enough covid patients to fill the ones we have.)

Yeah, you're missing the point. COVID19 patients don't all require acute hospitalization because many are not acute or no longer acute. They need a safe place to recuperate, where they will be given care and not infect others. Right now, they are just sent back to SNFs or sent home to "self quarantine". That's great for people like Chris Cuomo and Tom Hanks, who are wealthy, but for not for average Americans.

So we'd have a stack of new hospitals, we'd fill them with these aging covid patients.

no, you'd have quarantine facilities. and it wouldn't just be for old people, it'd be for anyone who is sick but no longer acute. pretty sure $660 million, let alone however many trillions have been poured out, could easily pay for the construction and however much maintenance required. those stimulus checks alone could have done it, probably.

LOL, we're not having an uncontrolled epidemic here either. Stop reading the liberal MSM news.

Yesterday the death toll was 1,499, highest so far. When your deaths keep going UP, your epidemic is clearly not under control.

Do you know how many people here on CG alone are over the age of 65? Oh sure, they've lived their life, why bother spending any money to take proper care of them. They've contributed their part to society, now they are just a drag on social security, right?

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Our numbers are only that high "under Trump" because idiot governors in CA and NY sent positive patients BACK into nursing homes and care facilities where the most vulnerable people were.

It's almost as if these Liberal/Marxists governors wanted a bunch of people to die to make this outbreak more serious.

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They do. No doubt about it. Along with the deaths they want to wreck the economy. All will be blamed on Trump and the ignorant sheep will eat it up.

[sd_shooter]

no, you'd have quarantine facilities. and it wouldn't just be for old people, it'd be for anyone who is sick but no longer acute. pretty sure $660 million, let alone however many trillions have been poured out, could easily pay for the construction and decades of maintenance.

That's fine too. Sort of like adding a companion facility next to each nursing home: one for the sick, one for the healthy. In any case it would be better than sending sick people back to where they came from.

Yesterday the death toll was 1,499, highest so far. When your deaths keep going UP, your epidemic is clearly not under control.

It's not zero, but it's not "the highest ever." The curve looks pretty flat (ok, not literally flat, but it's certainly under control)

Do you know how many people here on CG alone are over the age of 65? Oh sure, they've lived their life, why bother spending any money to take proper care of them. They've contributed their part to society, now they are just a drag on social security, right?

They should distance, wash hands, wear masks, shelter in place. If you're old, take care of yourself. But don't make all us healthy people stop our lives and tell us how contagious we are!