Our "great testing" is completely stupid

[duenor]

We have administered something like 65million tests. The administration loves to talk about how great a job we've done with testing: "President Donald J. Trump and His Administration Have Created The Best Covid-19 Testing System In The World", the White House declares on its website. and yet, for the most part, it's all wasted money. the results are junk - not because they are inaccurate, but because they are way too late. even 2-3 days is worthless if you're trying to make sure that people can effectively make changes to their life to prevent the spread of the disease. and most people aren't even getting it back within 48 hours, let alone 12.

but it's not going to change. currently, the cares act ensures that nobody who has any kind of insurance pays anything for tests. so the testing company gets paid, full value, regardless of whether the test result comes back in 12 hours of 12 days. there's no incentive, really, for the labs to be efficient. they just keep raking in the money, do a mediocre job, and there's no consequences for them.

our "great businessman" in chief ought to take a harder look at his "Best COVID19 testing system in the world". taxpayers and insurance companies are basically being forced to pay full price for worthless goods. "best testing system in the world" is a lie.

meanwhile, in Korea, testing is done in six hours and results via email within 48 hours at most. in taiwan, the government has invested $71million into a new test that will take 60 minutes.

[jaandrade3rd]

We have administered something like 65million tests. Trump loves to talk about how great a job we've done with testing: "President Donald J. Trump and His Administration Have Created The Best Covid-19 Testing System In The World", the White House declares on its website. and yet, for the most part, it's all wasted money. the results are junk - not because they are inaccurate, but because they are way too late. even 2-3 days is worthless if you're trying to make sure that people can effectively make changes to their life to prevent the spread of the disease. and most people aren't even getting it back within 48 hours, let alone 12.

but it's not going to change. currently, the cares act ensures that nobody who has any kind of insurance pays anything for tests. so the testing company gets paid, full value, regardless of whether the test result comes back in 12 hours of 12 days. there's no incentive, really, for the labs to be efficient. they just keep raking in the money, do a mediocre job, and there's no consequences for them.

our "great businessman" in chief ought to take a harder look at his "Best COVID19 testing system in the world". taxpayers and insurance companies are basically being forced to pay full price for worthless goods.

Agree, the testing is stupid. We don't test for flu. It is very likely that the entire population will at some point have or will be infected with COVID-19. Perhaps, there will be a vaccine in the future but there will be no cure.

[sd_shooter]

Our government is certainly good at wasting money, no disagreement there. Our tests do suck, they are inaccurate and dog slow.

Agree, the testing is stupid. We don't test for flu. It is very likely that the entire population will at some point have or will be infected with COVID-19. Perhaps, there will be a vaccine in the future but there will be no cure.

Agree. Testing healthy people is a waste of time.

[bigbossman]

So, you finally revealed your agenda. Orange man bad, that's the reason you post walls of crap every single day.

[harbormaster]

intriguing

You know I root for a football team with a good QB, but the team sucks. I see people like you, so called fans, that rag on the QB because they don't win yet he puts up winning numbers.

The analysis is the same; you rag on the president over what he can't control. He is in a no win situation one exasperated by his political opponents and either you hate him too or just buy into that. Those same opponents preached he should follow the science (Fauci) but he didn't - he did MORE then Fauci said was necessary and where is his credit for that - not in your head obviously.

The science hates Trump, the media hates Trump, and they are not immune to using this crisis to propel their hatred of Trump; so either you are espousing exactly what they want you too as a tool of theirs or you just hate him and are looking for anything you can to knock on him for. Where is your credit to the good he's done in this crisis?

We have administered something like 65million tests. The administration loves to talk about how great a job we've done with testing: "President Donald J. Trump and His Administration Have Created The Best Covid-19 Testing System In The World", the White House declares on its website. and yet, for the most part, it's all wasted money. the results are junk - not because they are inaccurate, but because they are way too late. even 2-3 days is worthless if you're trying to make sure that people can effectively make changes to their life to prevent the spread of the disease. and most people aren't even getting it back within 48 hours, let alone 12.

but it's not going to change. currently, the cares act ensures that nobody who has any kind of insurance pays anything for tests. so the testing company gets paid, full value, regardless of whether the test result comes back in 12 hours of 12 days. there's no incentive, really, for the labs to be efficient. they just keep raking in the money, do a mediocre job, and there's no consequences for them.

our "great businessman" in chief ought to take a harder look at his "Best COVID19 testing system in the world". taxpayers and insurance companies are basically being forced to pay full price for worthless goods. "best testing system in the world" is a lie.

meanwhile, in Korea, testing is done in six hours and results via email within 48 hours at most. in taiwan, the government has invested $71million into a new test that will take 60 minutes.

[MyOdessa]

We have administered something like 65million tests. The administration loves to talk about how great a job we've done with testing: "President Donald J. Trump and His Administration Have Created The Best Covid-19 Testing System In The World", the White House declares on its website.

OP thanks for saving me money. Your business is definitely on my DO NOT BUY FROM list.

[duenor]

So, you finally revealed your agenda. Orange man bad, that's the reason you post walls of crap every single day.

it's not "orange man bad" it's the federal government's handling is bad. who else do you lay the blame at the feet of, if not this administration? how can one not get angry when that government proclaims its system as "the best in the world" when in fact it is ineffective and wasteful, and they darn well know it? Not that I have any high hopes for the other team, either. each family and community needs to really understand that decisions at the government level are not being made with their best interests at heart. I see precious few of the top level politicians on either side having the best interests of the nation at heart. I don't know if they don't care, or if they just aren't even capable of being the leaders that we need them to be.

You know I root for a football team with a good QB, but the team sucks. I see people like you, so called fans, that rag on the QB because they don't win yet he puts up winning numbers.

I'm probably most focused on DT because he is so vocal about how great we are, and I know so many people who completely believe it. As for control, he's the president, man. It's a very powerful position. If anything, DT has made the position more powerful, for good or ill. The next president, and the next, will be able to cite DT as precedent. You're right, though. I shouldn't be so focused on one person. There's a whole pack of sub-leaders that are equally misguided, deliberately or incidentally. as for good things he's done? I think he's tried to do a number of good things, but either the people giving him advice are bad (ie., giuliani, diamond & silk, a number of other goons), or he just doesn't like to read hard science/hard data. for example, the ban on travel from china. sure, that wasn't a bad idea. BUT - the ban applied only to chinese nationals!! so as long as you had a passport other than CCP, you could come and go. no testing, not even a temperature check. well, once that ban hit, everybody who was in china wanted to flee home.

there's the stimulus money that's got his signature on it and came with an awkward "I'm pleased to present you with this check" kind of letter. that's well intentioned - but I'm not sure that was the best use of government money. I would have much preferred that the government bought care packages with hand sanitzer, masks, gloves, disinfectants, etc (like what korea does) instead. I suspect a lot of that money got wasted. in the same way, I think the $600 / week is wasted. For that, however, I don't blame trump - I blame pelosi and schumer, who are peddling lies of their own (like schumer's "no medical malpractice lawsuits" lie). but then again, we've known pelosi for years as the lady who said "the shoulder thing that goes up".

whole point of this post is that our country is not doing anywhere near as great as it claims. we're spending exhorbitant amounts of $, but leadership overall is very poor. the pandemic isn't going away anytime soon, no matter what people hope for, so families need to really be ready to have to count on themselves even more.

[SAN compnerd]

We have administered something like 65million tests. The administration loves to talk about how great a job we've done with testing: "President Donald J. Trump and His Administration Have Created The Best Covid-19 Testing System In The World", the White House declares on its website. and yet, for the most part, it's all wasted money. the results are junk - not because they are inaccurate, but because they are way too late. even 2-3 days is worthless if you're trying to make sure that people can effectively make changes to their life to prevent the spread of the disease. and most people aren't even getting it back within 48 hours, let alone 12.

but it's not going to change. currently, the cares act ensures that nobody who has any kind of insurance pays anything for tests. so the testing company gets paid, full value, regardless of whether the test result comes back in 12 hours of 12 days. there's no incentive, really, for the labs to be efficient. they just keep raking in the money, do a mediocre job, and there's no consequences for them.

our "great businessman" in chief ought to take a harder look at his "Best COVID19 testing system in the world". taxpayers and insurance companies are basically being forced to pay full price for worthless goods. "best testing system in the world" is a lie.

meanwhile, in Korea, testing is done in six hours and results via email within 48 hours at most. in taiwan, the government has invested $71million into a new test that will take 60 minutes.

Idiot leftists in Feburary/March: We need more testing, testing testing! We just don't have enough testing.

Why? Because the CDC failed at their one and only job, to have testing capacity sufficient to help contain the spread of a new contagion in a timely manner.

So this president harnessed the US manufacturing capacity to fix a broken system, and the end result is we have a globally unmatched capacity for testing, never in the history of the world has any country tested 65 million people, which will soon be over 100 million and who knows what it will be before we stop testing.

The end result of all this testing will be that the science on the way the flu and other diseases spread will be completely rewritten as it will produce a wealth of new knowledge that the old way just could not process by doing 200k tests per year and then extrapolating 50 million infections from that.

All of this is ignored by the left as no accomplishment of this president can be positive, even Gates is criticizing the speed of testing today, but tell me, what did that rich MFer do with all his money to fix that issue decades ago? Did he not know that we might need a more robust testing capacity? Of course he did, but orange man bad.

So the idiot leftists now insist that our testing is garbage because you can't get results in x time. What the reality is of testing turn around is pretty much unknown except for a mountain of leftist propaganda on how slow testing is.

Gates in his brilliance thinks that if you threaten not to pay the testing company unless they return results in 48 hours it will fix the problem.

What that will actually do is drive testing companies out of the market and reduce capacity, which will lengthen the time to get test results.

This economic fact doesn't matter to the idiot left who lick Gates boots. They will gladly parrot this idea and pretend that this would help or fix the problem. Gates is no dummy, he knows how to drive businesses out of a market, it's how he grew Microsoft into the leviathan is it today. He knows exactly what the result of his idea would be, and it's exactly the opposite of what he claims.

[bagman]

Propaganda? No? 40% in two weeks.

Teachers somebody doesn't want to have to go back to work.

[jeffyhog]

Let's just acknowledge that we have a pandemic on our hands and end testing. Just like Obama did. We're all likely to get this sooner or later, and some are going to die.

[DJD100]

Let's just acknowledge that we have a pandemic on our hands and end testing. Just like Obama did. We're all likely to get this sooner or later, and some are going to die.

The difference is that SARS-CoV-2 is far more contagious/transmissible, and far deadlier than H1N1.

H1N1: 12,000 - 18,000 deaths in US in one year (under Obama without shut-downs).

SARS-CoV-2: 162,000 deaths in six months (under Trump with some shut-downs).

The main differences are SARS-CoV-2's asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmissions rates are estimated at 45% +- of the total IR, plus the fact that SARS-CoV-2 attacks the human body in multiple novel ways (both compared to H1N1), and last but not least the complete failure of a unified national response along with the politicizing of simple public health advisories like social distancing and masking up.

[bagman]

Let's just acknowledge that we have a pandemic on our hands and end testing. Just like Obama did. We're all likely to get this sooner or later, and some are going to die.

And if you want to take precautions, do so. But that shouldn't mean everybody else has to and go bankrupt because someone is scared.

[bagman]

The difference is that SARS-CoV-2 is far more contagious/transmissible, and far deadlier than H1N1.

H1N1: 12,000 - 18,000 deaths in US in one year (under Obama without shut-downs).

SARS-CoV-2: 162,000 deaths in six months (under Trump with some shut-downs).

The main differences are SARS-CoV-2's asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmissions rates are estimated at 45% +- of the total IR, plus the fact that SARS-CoV-2 attacks the human body in multiple novel ways (both compared to H1N1), and last but not least the complete failure of a unified national response along with the politicizing of simple public health advisories like social distancing and masking up.

Typical liberal, everything is Trump's fault. Orange Man Bad, Obama was perfect.

[240z]

Stupid - Yes, but Not Because of the Administration

We have administered something like 65million tests. The administration loves to talk about how great a job we've done with testing: "President Donald J. Trump and His Administration Have Created The Best Covid-19 Testing System In The World", the White House declares on its website. and yet, for the most part, it's all wasted money. the results are junk - not because they are inaccurate, but because they are way too late. even 2-3 days is worthless if you're trying to make sure that people can effectively make changes to their life to prevent the spread of the disease. and most people aren't even getting it back within 48 hours, let alone 12.

but it's not going to change. currently, the cares act ensures that nobody who has any kind of insurance pays anything for tests. so the testing company gets paid, full value, regardless of whether the test result comes back in 12 hours of 12 days. there's no incentive, really, for the labs to be efficient. they just keep raking in the money, do a mediocre job, and there's no consequences for them.

our "great businessman" in chief ought to take a harder look at his "Best COVID19 testing system in the world". taxpayers and insurance companies are basically being forced to pay full price for worthless goods. "best testing system in the world" is a lie.

meanwhile, in Korea, testing is done in six hours and results via email within 48 hours at most. in taiwan, the government has invested $71million into a new test that will take 60 minutes.

What's wrong with our testing is that the "experts" have insisted upon a test protocol that is never going to work for the situation and they are likely not going to be persuaded to change. They are stuck in an old paradigm.

The President gets hammered by critics if he seems to not be following the advice of the "experts", and now that we are following that advice, and administering the tests that meet the exact requirements of the "experts" to the letter, the President gets hammered again when that advice turns out to be wrong (like much of the advice from the "experts" during this crisis, maybe most).

For more details, see this thread and the associated links:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1636236

What is wrong is that the requirements that the test be of high sensitivity, which requires a certain type of test, which then requires trained people to take the sample, special handling, logging of tests at labs, special machines to run the test with specially trained people to run them, systems to log the results and send them back to the people that took the test, blah, blah, blah. This is never going to be a fast process on a large scale.

Cheap, fast, lower sensitivity tests that anyone can take (like a pregnancy test) are the answer. The tests exist, but need regulatory approvals.

Whether the "experts" can be convinced of this is another question. After all, they are the "experts" and in my experience, such folks do not like to admit they are wrong.

[DJD100]

Typical liberal, everything is Trump's fault. Orange Man Bad, Obama was perfect.

Typical right-wing extremist, who can't understand facts and stats, and then in childish frustration resorts to BS Fox News style LOL!

The facts are that Trump screwed up and Obama didn't, though that could've easily been reversed if Obama had treated SARS-CoV-2 the same way they treated H1N1 in 2009 - 2010.

Read it slowly a few times, you'll get it bagman, i.e. the viruses are different, and as such they require different responses.