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***Cali-Glock*** · 08-22-2021, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Jason_2111

Thanks for the update.
I for one, am expecting to start seeing a LOT more people showing up to the Placerville City Council meetings. As of late it's been just a dozen people, most of which are old Karens and the few libtards we have running around whining about stuff.

If people don't go and hold them accountable, they'll continue to think it's just fine to do things like not fix the roads, clean up the forest, and not remove the noose from our town's various signs.

https://placervillerecall2021.org/

There are some ticked off people for sure, but many are insane:

The liberals are spreading their INSANE completely backwards explanations for why we are having these fires. I have not been this mad in a while.

McClintock's FB feed is being swamped with liberals attacking him and playing up the usual liberal BOVINE EXCREMENT. Spewing their completely wrong ideas about why we are having fires.

I am such a huge McClintock fan - I don't have words to express it. I was a huge fan of him in the 1990s when he was a state rep out of Thousand Oaks and was out of my mind filled with joy when he "carpet bagged" his way into our district. If we ended up with a Democrat Congressman in our district that would be close to the last straw for me.

**Jason_2111** · 08-22-2021, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Cali-Glock

There are some ticked off people for sure, but many are insane:

The liberals are spreading their INSANE completely backwards explanations for why we are having these fires. I have not been this mad in a while.

McClintock's FB feed is being swamped with liberals attacking him and playing up the usual liberal BOVINE EXCREMENT. Spewing their completely wrong ideas about why we are having fires.

I am such a huge McClintock fan - I don't have words to express it. I was a huge fan of him in the 1990s when he was a state rep out of Thousand Oaks and was out of my mind filled with joy when he "carpet bagged" his way into our district. If we ended up with a Democrat Congressman in our district that would be close to the last straw for me.

I hear that. I'm a big fan as well... got to meet him at an NRA fundraiser one time. The guy is solid.
Dang hippies refuse to do any sort of forest management since it might endanger a beetle or something... they are all arrogant enough to think that they know better than nature.

One great site I found shows all of the fires in California at a glance since 1950. You can clearly see there's big areas of forest that have been building up fuel for the past 70 years. This was bound to happen since it's almost like a plan to get people out of the rural areas and into the cities. It won't work.

California Wildfire History Map

https://projects.capradio.org/california-fire-history/#7.88/38.531/-122.879

As the climate changes and forest fuel loads aren’t properly managed, California’s wildfire season is changing. See how it has shifted over time in this interactive map.

I did have one friend that made it out with everything she has... she just moved into a new place two weeks ago, and hadn't even really unpacked. She loaded up everything into her truck & trailer... and got everything out in one big trip. I gave her some grief for not calling me for help... but she's super independent. She told me last night that she's not planning on going back, that she's going to find a new place. Wrong time for that... with so many displaced people, there's going to be nothing to rent for 50 miles.
More than likely, she'll be staying with me & Mrs. 2111 for a while (assuming we get through this unscathed... fingers crossed).

**FatCity67** · 08-22-2021, 11:17 AM

**Spyder** · 08-22-2021, 11:18 AM

Some of those Cal OES trucks were undoubtedly radio and comms guys. They get sent to all the big fires and live on site along with fire and leo.

***Cali-Glock*** · 08-22-2021, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by FatCity67

Fire in Sierra Nevada Forests: A Photographic Interpretation of Ecological Change Since 1849 is an absolute must read for anyone interested in this subject.

Fire in Sierra Nevada Forests examines the woodlands through repeat photography: rephotographing sites depicted in historical photographs to compare past vegetation to present.

***Cali-Glock*** · 08-22-2021, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Spyder

Some of those Cal OES trucks were undoubtedly radio and comms guys. They get sent to all the big fires and live on site along with fire and leo.

Absolutely!

**FatCity67** · 08-22-2021, 2:33 PM

Wife said a man burned up in his truck around grizzly flat.

***Cali-Glock*** · 08-22-2021, 5:20 PM

Originally posted by user120312

The flight tracking comes from this site:

ADS-B Exchange - track aircraft live

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

ADS-B Exchange - track aircraft live - aircraft flight history

I'm not certain where specific aerial mapping fire data being collected can be viewed publicly. AFAIK it's proprietary information for firefighting managers to use in planning. The results may be able to be found in their planning documents, these days a little tougher to access IME than in the past.

The map shown in my sample is one of many templates which can be used, and can be coordinated with the SAR map, also very customizable, to provide specific data. I run on a mobile hotspot 24/7 and often in poor reception so use simple templates which load faster with my connection. Someone on a fast connection won't have such inhibitions. The second map is found here and can easily be slaved to GPS to provide precise links and zooms; sample:
https://sartopo.com/map.html#ll=38.6...2Cwxd_wgust-01

Thank you again!! I love ADSBexchange!! Their underlying map makes it easy for me to understand exactly where the helicopters (and airplanes) are flying and dumping!!!

I have been watching them fly right over my buddy and dumping all around him for most of the afternoon. I have been listening to the Caldor Fire comm feed on Broadcastfify. I called my on scene buddy about 4pm and could then also hear the helicopters as they flew in and then hovered for their dumps. That was pretty nifty! They have been fighting to keep the fire south of Grizzly Flat Road. From the maps, air traffic and my quick conversation with my buddy standing right there on GF road (North side) it looks like the fire has gotten at least as far west as Boo Bear Way. I was told they lost some structures along Grizzly Flat Road between Steely Ridge and Sweeney Road and more activity along and south of GF road to the East.

Mostly helicopter work, though there was at least one retardant drop on the north side of GF road.

Still dumping all through there as I make this post.

Originally posted by FatCity67

Wife said a man burned up in his truck around grizzly flat.

If you learn anything more specific I would like to learn more. I know the EDSO is looking for a missing person in Grizzly, the nature of his disappearance did not seem clear from what I read. I'll have to start digging through the feeds.

**Tarmy** · 08-22-2021, 5:32 PM

As a victim of the Dixie fire…I followed a lot of sites to track that fire. One of the very best mapping and info sites is Zeke Lunder at The Lookout…the-lookout.org

Check out his Caldor posts…

Also, Fightradar has the best ( in my opinion) live flight data of aerial fire fighting operations…

Good luck to all suffering from that fire. There is hope…we were totally surrounded by fire for miles and our place made it…so did two other CGers that I am aware of. Scary crap having fire completely coming at you…

***Cali-Glock*** · 08-22-2021, 6:16 PM

Thank you!! His (https://the-lookout.org/) GoogleEarth 3D fire mapping is GREAT! I have not played with Google Earth to any extent in years - I forgot how cool it can be.

I was using FlightRadar earlier in the week - perhaps I needed to play with the settings but the underlying map was mostly terrain with few streets or other landmarks that I could recognize unless it was of a fairly tight area. Once I zoomed out to to encompass the area I wanted to track I could hardly make heads nor tails of the map. I was tracking a larger geographical area today using https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ and knew exactly where the birds were in the real world. A marriage between the two underlying maps would be ideal as the terrain map are SUPER useful, but at least the one that defaulted for me did not give me enough context.

**dunndeal** · 08-22-2021, 7:20 PM

Originally posted by kalalp

https://www.sfgate.com/renotahoe/art...t-16392428.php

There are arsonists of all kinds up in the hills. Lots of tweakers. In my neighborhood in the foothills as well.

Arsonists should be shot on sight.

**Tarmy** · 08-22-2021, 8:35 PM

Originally posted by dunndeal

Arsonists should be shot on sight.

***Cali-Glock*** · 08-22-2021, 9:58 PM

Yikes!

I knew this had to have happened.

Fire insurance has been challenging for many in California that live in fire prone areas. Many carriers will not insure homes in those areas leaving the California Fair Plan as the only option. I have heard prices for FIRE ONLY coverage through the California Fair Plan ranging from $5,500 to $19,000. An insurance broker friend who called to check on me said most he has seen have been about $10K a year +/- a grand or two.

Offhand I can think of three friends who I think might not have fire insurance because the California Fair Plan was too expensive - two of them lost their homes, the third still has theirs.

I just got confirmation of one of those families did not have fire insurance.

They really lost everything.

EVERYTHING.

Okay they have two cars, the shirts on their backs and can probably scrounge up a pot to piss in.

It was not a giant house - probably less than 2,000 square feet - his garage was almost as big, (not quite - but big - he built it to house his motorcycle collection and construction equipment before he got married ) To keep his bride happy he did add on to their house and remodel it to her specs.

Freaking nothing. They don't have any cash squirreled away either.

He is a semi-retired contractor, so he could (probably will) try to rebuild it himself with help from friends and neighbors, but how is he going to pay for the lumber, fasteners, etc?! I wonder if you can strip burned trees and use them to build a log cabin. There will be plenty of them available for the taking - just cut off the burned exterior with a chain saw...

If my place manages to survive he can cut down and take as many of my trees as he wants.

**user120312** · 08-22-2021, 10:36 PM

I see a fair amount of debarked charred trees on logging trucks in Oregon and even ran into some in the areas north of Redding last year . Even if not seeing them, if one happens to be following such a rig, one can smell it.

IDK how it is in CA but getting loggers in ASAP to harvest standing dead fire trees is IMO good use of resources, cleans up the terrain of potential ready to re-burn dead fuel and preps for reforestation. It's healthy forest management. Let the loggers feed. They're pros at what they do.

Sorry to read about the retired contractor's place burning up, man that sucks balls. IME, usually mountain folk tend to band together in times of adversity, at least in the areas I'd scouted to live; they're pretty tight-knit. If so, people share.

Caught an interesting development on Twitter, night operations combining backfiring and water drops via helicopter....

https://twitter.com/CphilpottCraig/status/1429658124600807431

Looks like Strawberry is safe so far, eastward progress has slowed to a crawl. Hope the weather gods smile a bit; we could use a break.